In this episode of @TheScienceofLeadership Dr. Collins has a conversation with General Gus Perna about the importance of being responsible and accountable as leaders.

During his career in the Army, General Perna commanded soldiers during Operation Iraqi Freedom and later served as Commanding General of the U.S. Army’s Materiel Command, overseeing 190,000 personnel and a $175 billion budget. In 2020, when the United States needed a vaccine to be developed and delivered across the country, he co-led Operation Warp Speed, delivering the COVID-19 vaccine ahead of schedule. In this podcast, General Perna emphasizes the need for leaders to lead by example and ensure that their actions align with their words. General Perna shares stories from his military career that illustrate the importance of taking responsibility and being accountable for the outcomes. He also highlights the role of trust in effective leadership and the impact of violating that trust. Overall, the episode emphasizes the significance of remaining responsible and accountable in order to build trust and lead effectively. General Perna discusses his experience leading Operation Warp Speed and the importance of being responsible and accountable in challenging situations. He emphasizes the need to think beyond oneself and the organization and focus on the greater mission. General Perna also highlights the value of building diverse teams and leveraging the expertise of others. He shares practical advice for leaders, including asking if a decision is bigger than oneself and the organization, and being willing to delegate and collaborate. The conversation concludes with insights on decision-making, time management, and the importance of humility. Important concepts covered include leadership, responsibility, accountability, trust, leading by example, Operation Warp Speed, diverse teams, decision-making, time management, and humility.

Key Takeaways

• Leaders must be responsible and accountable for their actions and the outcomes they achieve.

• Leading by example is crucial in building trust and inspiring others to follow.

• Taking responsibility and being accountable can have a significant impact on the success of a mission or organization.

• Violating trust by not being responsible or accountable can undermine leadership effectiveness.

• Maintaining high standards and holding oneself and others accountable is essential for achieving desired outcomes. Leaders must lead by example and be responsible and accountable for their actions and decisions.

• Building diverse teams and leveraging the expertise of others is crucial for success.

• Leaders should ask themselves if a decision is bigger than themselves and their organization before taking action.

• Being willing to delegate and collaborate is essential for effective leadership.

• Humility is a key trait for leaders, as it allows them to learn from others and make better decisions.

• Improving decision-making and organizational performance are positive outcomes of being responsible and accountable.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:13 Being Responsible and Accountable as Leaders

09:23 Taking Responsibility and Giving Credit

18:11 The Importance of Maintaining High Standards

25:07 Leading by Example and Building Trust

29:58 Achieving Success through Responsibility and Accountability

36:11 Maintaining Standards in Challenging Environments

37:03 Leading with Responsibility and Accountability

38:05 Leading Operation Warp Speed

41:39 Overcoming Challenges in Distribution

44:31 Checking Egos at the Door

48:53 The Importance of Humility

52:07 Positive Effects of Responsibility and Accountability

Key References

• Edmondson, A. C. (2018). The Fearless Organization: Creating Psychological Safety in the Workplace for Learning, Innovation, and Growth.

• Heifetz, R. A., Grashow, A., & Linsky, M. (2009). The Practice of Adaptive Leadership: Tools and Tactics for Changing Your Organization and the World.

• Kouzes, J. M., & Posner, B. Z. (2017). The Leadership Challenge. Wiley.

• De Dreu, C. K. W., & West, M. A. (2001). Minority dissent and team innovation: The importance of participation in decision-making. Journal of Applied Psychology, 86(6), 1191-1201.

• Frink, D. D., & Klimoski, R. J. (1998). Toward a theory of accountability in organizations and human resources management. Research in Personnel and Human Resources Management, 16, 1-51.

• Collins, J. (2001). Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap and Others Don't.

On this episode, Tom and Justin discuss the importance of competence in leadership. Competence is defined as having the knowledge, skills, and abilities to accomplish something successfully and efficiently. There are two forms of competence in leadership: expertise in a specific field and competence in leading. While expertise is important, it is not enough to be a successful leader. Competence in leading involves the ability to get things done and lead effectively. Competence is crucial for building trust, credibility, and team cohesion. It is also associated with improved organizational performance and employee satisfaction. Competence is a crucial aspect of leadership that impacts team cohesion, effectiveness, and intent to leave. Studies have shown that teams led by competent leaders are more cohesive and effective. Additionally, employees are more likely to stay with an organization when they perceive their leaders as competent and supportive. To become more competent as a leader, individuals can invest in personal development through formal and informal pathways, gain practical experience, and seek mentorship. Resources for further learning include books like 'The Leadership Challenge' and the US Army's leadership field manual. Key concepts in this episode include competence, leadership, expertise, knowledge, skills, abilities, success, efficiency, trust, credibility, team cohesion, organizational performance, employee satisfaction, effectiveness, employee intent to leave, personal development, practical experience, and mentorship.

Takeaways

• Competence in leadership involves both expertise in a specific field and the ability to lead effectively.

• Competence is crucial for building trust, credibility, and team cohesion.

• Leaders with competence are associated with improved organizational performance and employee satisfaction.

• Continuous learning and growth are essential for leaders to maintain and improve their competence. Competence in leadership is essential for team cohesion, effectiveness, and reducing intent to leave.

• Leaders can become more competent by investing in personal development, gaining practical experience, and seeking mentorship.

• Resources for further learning on competence in leadership include books like 'The Leadership Challenge' and the US Army's leadership field manual.

Chapters

00:00 Defining Competence in Leadership

02:00 Two Forms of Competence in Leadership

06:28 The Relationship Between Expertise and Competence

07:07 Competence as a Requirement for Good Leadership

09:01 Competence in Leading vs. Competence in a Specific Field

13:04 Continuous Learning and Growth for Leaders

14:29 The Dunning-Kruger Effect and Overestimating Competence

22:41 The Importance of Competence in Leadership

25:02 Competence and Organizational Performance

26:10 Competence Builds Trust and Credibility

Key References

• Judge, T. A., Bono, J. E., Ilies, R., & Gerhardt, M. W. (2002). Personality and leadership: A qualitative and quantitative review. Journal of Applied Psychology, 87(4), 765.

• Deci, E. L., Ryan, R. M., & Williams, G. C. (1996). Need satisfaction and the self-regulation of learning. Learning and Individual Differences, 8(3), 165-183.

• Zaccaro, S. J., Rittman, A. L., & Marks, M. A. (2001). Team leadership. The Leadership Quarterly, 12(4), 451-483.

• Mumford, M. D., Zaccaro, S. J., Harding, F. D., Jacobs, T. O., & Fleishman, E. A. (2000). Leadership skills for a changing world: Solving complex social problems. The Leadership Quarterly, 11(1), 11-35.

• Walumbwa, F. O., Avolio, B. J., Gardner, W. L., Wernsing, T. S., & Peterson, S. J. (2008). Authentic leadership: Development and validation of a theory-based measure. Journal of Management, 34(1), 89-126.

• Avolio, B. J., Gardner, W. L., Walumbwa, F. O., Luthans, F., & May, D. R. (2004). Unlocking the mask: A look at the process by which authentic leaders impact follower attitudes and behaviors. The Leadership Quarterly, 15(6), 801-823.

• Kouzes, J. M., & Posner, B. Z. (2023). The Leadership Challenge, 7th ed. Jossey-Bass, San Francisco.

• The Center for Army Leadership. (2004). The U.S. Army Leadership Field Manual. Department of the Army, Washington, DC.

In this episode of @TheScienceofLeadership Dr. Collins sits down with General Barry McCaffrey to discuss the powerful impacts that occur when we appreciate those we lead.

General McCaffrey is a graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point, led troops in both the Vietnam and Gulf Wars, and served as the Commander of U.S. Southern Command. He was awarded numerous medals, including two Silver Stars, four Bronze Stars, and three Purple Hearts. Following his retirement from the Army, he served as Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy under President Clinton. Since that time, he has served on multiple boards of directors for various corporations and non-profits.

General McCaffrey shares profound insights on why appreciating and recognizing your team is essential for leadership success, how small acts of praise can make a big difference, and why fairness doesn't always mean equality. They explore concepts like the importance of leading from the front, recognizing star performers, and the challenges of large-scale organizations.

General McCaffrey shares a compelling story from his time in Vietnam about the importance of leaders eating last and being first in battle, embodying servant leadership at its core. Dr. Collins highlights the Four Cs of Leadership—Character, Competence, Caring, and Communication—and how they apply across industries, from military to healthcare. Key concepts in this episode include appreciation, servant leadership, character, competence, and recognition.

Key Takeaways:

• The Importance of Recognition: General McCaffrey emphasizes the need to recognize excellence publicly, a powerful motivator in both military and civilian leadership.

• Servant Leadership in Action: Leadership isn't about personal gain; it's about ensuring your team is well-cared for and valued.

• Tailored Praise: Not everyone wants or needs public recognition. Good leaders understand the preferences of their people and adjust accordingly.

• Character and Competence are Non-Negotiable: Great leaders must be experts in their field and must embody integrity.

• Hard Work is the X-Factor: The willingness to put in the effort consistently sets successful leaders apart.

• Leadership in Large Organizations: Even in massive organizations, it's possible to maintain personal connections and understand individual contributions.

• Fairness vs. Equality: Rewarding everyone equally can be detrimental; recognizing exceptional performers benefits the entire team.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Leadership Recognition

00:45 Welcome and Guest Introduction

02:20 The Importance of Appreciation in Leadership

05:32 Techniques for Conveying Value

07:47 Contextual Praise and Recognition

09:06 Challenges in Recognizing Excellence

20:03 The Role of Hard Work in Leadership

33:12 The Impact of Personal Touch in Leadership

37:35 General McCaffrey's Leadership Story

41:48 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

References

Algoe, S. B., Haidt, J., & Gable, S. L. (2008). Beyond reciprocity: Gratitude and relationships in everyday life. Emotion, 8(3), 425-429. https://doi.org/10.1037/1528-3542.8.3.425

Cameron, K. S., & Spreitzer, G. M. (2012). Positive leadership: Strategies for extraordinary performance. San Francisco: Berrett-Koehler

Collins, J. (2001). Good to Great. New York: Harper Business.

Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (1985). Intrinsic Motivation and Self-Determination in Human Behavior. New York: Plenum Press. http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-1-4899-2271-7

Emmons, R. A., & McCullough, M. E. (2003). Counting blessings versus burdens: An experimental investigation of gratitude and subjective well-being in daily life. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 84(2), 377-389. https://doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.84.2.377

Fisher, C. D. (2010). Happiness at work. International Journal of Management Reviews, 12(4), 384-412. https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1468-2370.2009.00270.x

Grant, A. M., & Gino, F. (2010). A little thanks goes a long way: Explaining why gratitude expressions motivate prosocial behavior. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 98(6), 946-955. https://doi.org/10.1037/a0017935

In this episode, along with his intermittent co-host, Dr. Justin Hamrick, Dr. Collins discusses the importance of character in leadership. They define character as who you are and how you manifest yourself to the world. They explore the dual nature of character, which includes how you interact with yourself and how you interact with others. They emphasize the need for leaders to be able to lead themselves before they can effectively lead others. They also discuss the role of honesty and integrity in leadership and how leaders with good character are more likely to be trusted and followed. They provide practical tips for improving character, such as journaling, seeking accountability, and practicing virtues. Key ideas covered in this episode include character, leadership, self-awareness, integrity, honesty, virtues, self-discipline, and accountability.

Takeaways

• Character is the bedrock of leadership and encompasses how you manifest yourself to the world.

• Leaders must be able to lead themselves before they can effectively lead others.

• Honesty and integrity are essential virtues for leaders and contribute to trust and followership.

• Improving character requires self-awareness, accountability, and practice of virtues.

• Leaders with good character are more likely to be successful and have a positive impact.

Key References

• Bass, B. M., & Steidlmeier, P. (1999). Ethics, character, and authentic transformational leadership behavior. Leadership Quarterly, 10(2), 181-217.

• Ciulla, J. B. (2014). Ethics, the Heart of Leadership (3rd ed.). Praeger.

• Burns, J. M. (1978). Leadership. Harper & Row.

• George, B., Sims, P., McLean, A. N., & Mayer, D. (2007). Discovering Your Authentic Leadership. Harvard Business Review, 85(2), 129-138.

• Gini, A. (2004). Ethics and Leadership. Business and Society Review, 109(3), 325-342.

• Walumbwa, F. O., Avolio, B. J., Gardner, W. L., Wernsing, T. S., & Peterson, S. J. (2008). Authentic Leadership: Development and Validation of a Theory-Based Measure. Journal of Management, 34(1), 89-126.

• Luthans, F., & Avolio, B. J. (2003). Authentic Leadership: A Positive Developmental Approach. In K. S. Cameron, J. E. Dutton, & R. E. Quinn (Eds.), Positive Organizational Scholarship: Foundations of a New Discipline (pp. 241-261). Berrett-Koehler.

• Trevino, L. K., Hartman, L. P., & Brown, M. (2000). Moral Person and Moral Manager: How Executives Develop a Reputation for Ethical Leadership. California Management Review, 42(4), 128-142.

• Peterson, C., & Seligman, M. E. P. (2004). Character Strengths and Virtues: A Handbook and Classification. Oxford University Press.

Book References

Kouzes, J. M., & Posner, B. Z. (2021). Everyday People, Extraordinary Leadership. Wiley, Hoboken, NJ. ISBN-13: ‎ 978-1119687016 Sun-Tzu. (2003). The Art of War (J. Minford, Ed.). Penguin Books. New York. ISBN: 978-0140439199

In this episode, along with his intermittent co-host, Dr. Justin Hamrick, Dr. Collins discusses the importance of character in leadership. They define character as who you are and how you manifest yourself to the world. They explore the dual nature of character, which includes how you interact with yourself and how you interact with others. They emphasize the need for leaders to be able to lead themselves before they can effectively lead others. They also discuss the role of honesty and integrity in leadership and how leaders with good character are more likely to be trusted and followed. They provide practical tips for improving character, such as journaling, seeking accountability, and practicing virtues. Key ideas covered in this episode include character, leadership, self-awareness, integrity, honesty, virtues, self-discipline, and accountability.

Takeaways

• Character is the bedrock of leadership and encompasses how you manifest yourself to the world.
• Leaders must be able to lead themselves before they can effectively lead others.
• Honesty and integrity are essential virtues for leaders and contribute to trust and followership.
• Improving character requires self-awareness, accountability, and practice of virtues.
• Leaders with good character are more likely to be successful and have a positive impact.

Key References

• Bass, B. M., & Steidlmeier, P. (1999). Ethics, character, and authentic transformational leadership behavior. Leadership Quarterly, 10(2), 181-217.
• Ciulla, J. B. (2014). Ethics, the Heart of Leadership (3rd ed.).
• Burns, J. M. (1978). Harper & Row.
• George, B., Sims, P., McLean, A. N., & Mayer, D. (2007). Discovering Your Authentic Leadership. Harvard Business Review, 85(2), 129-138.
• Gini, A. (2004). Ethics and Leadership. Business and Society Review, 109(3), 325-342.
• Walumbwa, F. O., Avolio, B. J., Gardner, W. L., Wernsing, T. S., & Peterson, S. J. (2008). Authentic Leadership: Development and Validation of a Theory-Based Measure. Journal of Management, 34(1), 89-126.
• Luthans, F., & Avolio, B. J. (2003). Authentic Leadership: A Positive Developmental Approach. In K. S. Cameron, J. E. Dutton, & R. E. Quinn (Eds.), Positive Organizational Scholarship: Foundations of a New Discipline (pp. 241-261). Berrett-Koehler.
• Trevino, L. K., Hartman, L. P., & Brown, M. (2000). Moral Person and Moral Manager: How Executives Develop a Reputation for Ethical Leadership. California Management Review, 42(4), 128-142.
• Peterson, C., & Seligman, M. E. P. (2004). Character Strengths and Virtues: A Handbook and Classification. Oxford University Press.

Book Reference

Kouzes, J. M., & Posner, B. Z. (2021). Everyday People, Extraordinary Leadership. Wiley, Hoboken, NJ. ISBN-13: ‎ 978-1119687016

Sun-Tzu. (2003). The Art of War (J. Minford, Ed.). Penguin Books. New York. ISBN: 978-0140439199

In this captivating episode of the Science of Leadership, host Tom Collins welcomes distinguished military leader General Vince Brooks.

General Brooks is a West Point graduate and a veteran of three wars. He led 650,000 personnel as Commander of U.S. Forces Korea, Combined Forces Command, and U.N. Command, and served on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Highly decorated, his honors include the Army Distinguished Service Medal with three oak leaf clusters and a Bronze Star. Post-retirement, he has joined the boards of several corporations.

General Brooks, with his extensive background in commanding vast forces and his profound leadership insights, shares valuable lessons on leadership, particularly focusing on the concept of servant leadership. His discussion with Dr. Collins spans from recounting personal experiences in Iraq to articulating the essence of humility, courage, and the significance of creating a lasting legacy through effective leadership.

Dr. Collins and General Brooks delve deep into the principles of servant leadership, emphasizing that true leadership is centered around the lead, not the leader. General Brooks shares a poignant story from his time in Iraq that exemplifies this approach, highlighting the importance of selflessness and prioritizing the well-being and success of those you lead. Throughout the conversation, the two underscore the importance of humility, self-reflection, and continuous learning in cultivating a leadership style that inspires trust and collective achievement.

Key Takeaways:

🔸Leadership Focus: True leadership is about prioritizing the needs and growth of those you lead, rather than seeking personal glory.

🔸Servant Leadership: Exercising servant leadership involves setting an example and subordinating personal interests for the collective good.

🔸Humility in Leadership: Humility is crucial in effective leadership; it helps leaders stay grounded and better connect with their teams.

🔸Continuous Learning: Great leaders are always open to learning and improving, valuing feedback and reflecting on their experiences.

🔸Creating a Legacy: The ultimate success of a leader is measured by the success and growth of their followers.

Resources: Connect with General Vince Brooks on LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincent-brooks-757116189/

United States Military Academy at West Point | https://www.westpoint.edu/

Book References:

"Servant Leadership" by Robert Greenleaf ISBN-13:‎ 978-0809105540

"Leading with a Limp" by Dan Allender ISBN-13:‎ 978-1578569526

We hope this episode has provided you with profound insights into effective leadership. Stay tuned for more enlightening discussions on the Science of Leadership, and remember to keep striving for character, competence, and caring in your own leadership journey.

In this engaging episode of Science of Leadership, host Tom Collins delves into the critical theme of communication in leadership with expert guest Doctor Lori Armstrong.

Dr. Armstrong holds a Doctor of Nursing Practice from Drexel University and has led at top institutions like Kaiser Permanente and Stanford. Now CEO and Chief Clinical Officer of Inspire Nurse Leaders, she helps equip nurse leaders for success. She serves on national boards and has received honors like the Silicon Valley Woman of Distinction award.

The discussion focuses on the fundamental importance of asking the right question to foster effective communication, build trust, and enhance leadership. Dr. Armstrong, who brings extensive experience from her executive roles in various healthcare institutions, shares insightful stories and practical advice aimed at emerging and established leaders alike. Throughout the episode, Armstrong emphasizes the significant impact that asking the right question can have on leadership effectiveness. She and Collins explore topics such as the role of curiosity, the nuances of active listening, and the benefits of creating a culture of openness and trust. Their dialogue is enriched with real-life examples and scientific principles, offering a profound understanding of how thoughtful questioning can lead to better relationships, enhanced problem-solving, and improved organizational outcomes. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to refine their communication skills and become a more impactful leader.

Key concepts in this episode include communication, leadership, asking the right question, clarity, understanding, care, trust, relationships, growth, critical thinking, problem-solving, clarification, engagement, participation, competence, autonomy, relatedness, relationships, innovation, curiosity, reflective questions, neutrality, timing, solution-oriented questions

Takeaways

• Asking the right question leads to clarity of understanding and accurate message delivery.
• Asking the right question shows that the conversation is important and that the leader cares.
• Asking the right question can have a profound impact on individuals and their lives.
• Asking the right question builds trust, strengthens relationships, and creates opportunities for growth. Asking the right questions enhances critical thinking and problem-solving.
• Asking questions facilitates understanding and clarification, encouraging engagement and participation.
• Asking questions in a curious and interested manner increases competence, autonomy, and relatedness among team members, fostering stronger relationships and innovation.
• To become better at asking the right questions, tailor questions to the person and context, be clear and specific, ask open-ended questions, be curious and not judgmental, use reflective questions, ask for clarification when needed, stay neutral, time the question appropriately, ask 'what else?', and ask solution-oriented questions.

Key References:

Enhances Critical Thinking and Problem-Solving

• Tofel-Grehl, C., & Feldon, D. F. (2013). Cognitive task analysis-based training: A meta-analysis of studies. Journal of Educational Psychology, 105(3), 763–775. DOI: 10.1037/a0033455.
• Paul, R., & Elder, L. (2006). The Miniature Guide to Socratic Questioning. Foundation for Critical Thinking.

Facilitates Understanding and Clarification

• Janssen, O. (2005). The role of frustration in communication: A theoretical framework. Academy of Management Review, 30(4), 723–739.
• Brownell, J. (2012). Listening: Attitudes, Principles, and Skills (5th ed.). Pearson Education.

Encourages Engagement and Participation

• Deci, E. L., & Ryan, R. M. (1985). Intrinsic Motivation and Self-Determination in Human Behavior. Plenum Press.
• Koestner, R., Ryan, R. M., Bernieri, F., & Holt, K. (1984). Setting limits on children's behavior: The differential effects of controlling vs. informational styles on intrinsic motivation and creativity. Journal of Personality, 52(3), 233–248.
• Ryan, R. M., & Deci, E. L. (2000). Self-determination theory and the facilitation of intrinsic motivation, social development, and well-being. American Psychologist, 55(1), 68–78.

Builds Stronger Relationships

• Reis, H. T., & Shaver, P. (1988). Intimacy as an interpersonal process. In S. Duck (Ed.), Handbook of Personal Relationships: Theory, Research, and Interventions (pp. 367–389). Wiley.

Fosters Innovation

• Edmondson, A. C. (1999). Psychological safety and learning behavior in work teams. Administrative Science Quarterly, 44(2), 350–383.

In this enlightening episode of The Science of Leadership, Dr. Tom Collins sits down with Lieutenant General Mark Hertling to explore the intersection of military leadership principles and their application in the healthcare sector.

Lieutenant General Hertling is a West Point graduate, former Commander of U.S. Army Europe, and a combat veteran of three wars. He is highly decorated, with honors including four Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart. After retiring, he earned a doctorate in business administration and transitioned to healthcare leadership, culminating in his book Growing Physician Leaders: Empowering Doctors to Improve Our Healthcare.

Dr. Collins engages General Hertling in a stimulating discussion about leadership attributes, competencies, and the critical role of continuous self-assessment in cultivating effective leaders. General Hertling shares invaluable insights from his extensive military background and how these have informed his successful transition to healthcare leadership, notably through his involvement with physician leadership development.

Throughout the conversation, key themes around communication, influence, and context in leadership are examined. General Hertling emphasizes the importance of understanding the intrinsic motivations of team members and the necessity of aligning personal presence with leadership roles. The episode delves into practical strategies for building strong, cohesive teams in high-stakes environments, focusing on the importance of knowing and engaging with one's team on a personal level.

These leadership philosophies are contextualized through real-world examples from both military and healthcare settings, offering listeners a practical guide to enhancing their leadership skills.

Key Takeaways:

🔸Continuous Self-Assessment: Leaders must regularly evaluate their character, presence, and intellect to maintain alignment with their values and roles.

🔸Influence Techniques: Effective leadership hinges on the ability to influence and understand the motivations of team members, rather than exerting external motivation.

🔸Communication is Key: Both what leaders say and how they are perceived are crucial. Emotional intelligence and impactful communication strategies are essential for effective leadership.

🔸Building Teams: Successful teams are forged through understanding individual member's strengths, motivations, and fostering a collaborative environment.

🔸Serendipity and Success: The confluence of preparation, being in the right position, and seizing opportunities often defines a leader’s journey and their impact.

Resources:

General Mark Hertling's Book: Growing Physician Leaders | https://a.co/d/i7M9bg6

General Mark Hertling’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-hertling-dba-57987066/

Women in Medicine Initiative: http://womeninmedicine.org/

Dr. Tom Collins' LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomcollinsmd/

Listeners are encouraged to tune into the full episode to dive deeper into the dynamic discussion of effective leadership principles across different domains and to stay tuned for more insightful conversations from The Science of Leadership.