1:22 The fellas discuss their favorite Ken phrase

1:44- Ken tells us what it means to be a product management truth teller

5:16- What can we do as product managers to become more valuable?

8:35- One of the first steps- What goal are you trying to achieve and how can I help you get there?

10:30- Ken tells us why you should spend 20 min a week interviewing a customer

12:55: Todd outlines why experimentation is critical for a product manager

16:45- The team discuss the product management anti-patterns we should watch out for

23:00- How to make yourself an indispensable product person?

26:30- Ken talks about how you can build a quarterly plan to build a strong product management team

28:00- Todd shares his PM secret sauce- Product Framing

29:00- Ryan reminds us to ask the question “So What”

30:56- We share Ken’s favorite PM phrase “Magic Beans”

34:15- What got us here (why are there so many PMs that are unemployed)?

37:40- Is there another domain where the role is defined by someone who doesn’t understand the value of product management?

40:00 Key Takeaways/Wrap-up

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1:22- Joe explains why the role of Product Player Coach role is a cop-out

2:51- Todd uses data to say how it can work and leverages his love of the NBA to demonstrates why

5:34- We discuss what success looks like for a Product Manager Player Coach

10:02- Ryan walks us through how we resolved the challenges associated with this hybrid role

13:32- Todd walks us through the disadvantages of the hybrid PM/Coach role

16:03- Joe emphatically tells us why Product Managers must be successful at relationships- Product Managers are already “coaches”

20:15- We talk about getting uncomfortable to grow as a product manager

23:30- Joe discusses his affinity for gold stars

26:30- Life lessons from being a player-coach have advantages for career advancement if you want to be a people manager

30:20- What are the negatives of being a player-coach?

32:30- We hear about Todd’s real-life experience as a player-coach. Todd clashes with his peers but learns to turn it around.

34:50- Ryan tells us about his real-life experience as a player-coach. He’s the scapegoat!

37:10- How do relationships change when you become a player-coach?

40:20- Hear a fantastic analogy between player-coach and Spider-man 2

44:25- Words of advice for anyone considering the role of player-coach.

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1:30 Ryan ponders what product failure means?

3:37 The true definition of failure is identified

6:33 Todd speaks to the categories of product failure

9:33 Todd assumes the role of therapist and tells Ryan and Joe they didn’t fail

12:13- We discuss how we turn failure into a learning opportunity

15:06- Joe discusses the most underrated product management skill

19:08- We bring back the Jobs to be done framework when dealing with our co-workers

22:25- Todd shares a tip on how manage friction with a co-workers (brilliant)

25:44- We talk about the temptation to take short-cuts with process

29:00 Todd tells us why he didn’t win any newsroom awards one year

31:00 Ryan comes up with a new PM slogan “It's the scars that make you and not the successes” (Joe thinks it should be on a bumper sticker)

32:34- The “learning” is knowing how we can do it better next time (Hallmark card time)

35:00 - Todd reminds why we shouldn’t never give up when the going gets tough

36:08 - We talk about the fear of using AI to make product management short cuts

37:09 - We all share our product failure war stories

44:30- Wayne’s World reference makes its way into our podcast- Success!

48:00- Thoughts on how you respond to failure drives who you are as a product manager

52:00 Wrap Up

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