Rachel and Sarah are joined by the fan-blooming-tastic Jess Thom to talk all things Inclusive Play.

Jess talks about her life, and how she has turned her tics into a source of imaginative creativity by founding Tourettes Hero and starting the Rebel Play movement.

A brilliant, funny, reflective conversation, where Rachel and Jess consider how we ensure we don’t let ableist ideas shrink our world and impact the self-image and well-being of our disabled children. As parents of disabled children, listening to disabled adults is a vital part to our own learning and evolution.

We’re so lucky to have been able to talk to Jess, not least because she tells us her actual favourite biscuits (not just her ‘show’ favourite biscuits!)

Sarah also has the sniffles, and for once it’s Rachel sharing laundry tips…

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