In this short debrief episode, co-hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan reflect on a key moment from their interview with Kory Kogon of FranklinCovey, discussing the lasting impact of The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. They delve into one of the book's foundational ideas: the power of assumptions and how storytelling can help us challenge and overcome them.

Highlights from the Conversation:

• The Influence of Assumptions: How we unconsciously create stories about others and how those narratives can hinder our ability to connect and empathize.
• Storytelling as a Tool for Empathy: A powerful story reveals the importance of context in fostering understanding and breaking down assumptions.
• Practical Applications in Leadership: Jerome shares a compelling story about confronting assumptions while facilitating a leadership workshop, highlighting the courage required to address behaviors that can erode trust within a team.
• Julienne’s Perspective on Personal Bias: She discusses how personal history and cultural influences shape our assumptions and how to consciously set them aside to improve listening.

Key Takeaways:

1. Check Your Assumptions: Be mindful of the narratives you create about others and challenge them with curiosity.
2. Context is Key: Understanding the "why" behind someone’s actions can transform your perspective.
3. The Art of Listening: Identifying what gets in the way of listening is essential for effective communication and fostering trust.

Simple actions, like being mindful of our assumptions and practicing curiosity, can significantly improve workplace dynamics and personal relationships. Keep listening, learning, and connecting!

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