Perfection. It’s the thing we’re supposed to chase—or avoid completely, depending on who you ask. “Done is better than perfect.” “Progress, not perfection.” “Perfection is the enemy of progress.” But is it really? Or is that just another well-worn cliché that’s been warped into something unhelpful?

In this episode of Trash Talk, Erin and Erica take on the cultural tug-of-war with perfection. From childhood conditioning to business advice that contradicts itself, we unravel the mixed messages surrounding perfectionism. Is perfection always the problem? Or does it sometimes deserve a place at the table?

Let’s trash some bad advice. Listen now!

What if the so-called ‘truths’ of entrepreneurship and leadership were actually keeping you confused or small?

On Trash Talk, hosts Erin Thomas and Erica Breuer cut through the tired cliches and threadbare advice that dominate entrepreneurship, leadership, and personal development. These ideas might be popular, but that doesn’t mean they’re useful.

The aim: To shake up listeners so they uncover sharper, smarter ways to navigate the complexities that actually matter.