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On this episode, Athena and Caroline are joined by Carl Charles as they discuss his work as a senior attorney at Lambda Legal and his journey as a trans advocate. Carl shares how his experiences as a teacher led him to pursue law, ultimately shaping his career in trans rights advocacy. He reflects on the challenges and triumphs he has encountered while fighting for LGBTQ+ civil rights, highlighting the importance of resilience and joy even in the face of adversity. The conversation also explores the ongoing legal battles affecting the transgender community, touching on identity documentation policies, anti-trans legislation, and the broader implications of restrictive laws.

Carl provides critical insights into the current landscape of trans rights, explaining how recent legal developments impact the community. He discusses the State Department’s gender marker policies, the rise of discriminatory bills in states like Texas, and the ongoing efforts to challenge these injustices through legal action. The discussion underscores the importance of staying informed and proactive, whether through updating legal documents or engaging in advocacy. Carl also shares practical advice for trans individuals navigating these challenges, encouraging them to seek legal support and community resources to protect their rights.

The episode concludes with a powerful conversation on resilience, representation, and advocacy. Carl emphasizes the strength of the transgender community and the necessity of collective action in pushing back against discrimination. He encourages listeners to stay engaged, support organizations like Lambda Legal, and use their voices to promote understanding and allyship. Athena and Caroline reflect on the importance of visibility and connection, reinforcing the message that despite the obstacles ahead, the fight for trans rights remains strong and unwavering.

“Carl Charles is a senior attorney at Lambda Legal, where he fights for the civil rights of LGBTQ+ people and those living with HIV. A dedicated advocate, Carl has worked on key legal cases that challenge discriminatory policies and protect the rights of transgender individuals. Before joining Lambda Legal, he worked at the ACLU and the New York City Commission on Human Rights. Carl’s legal expertise spans identity documentation, healthcare access, and employment protections for trans people. As a trans attorney himself, he brings both professional and personal insight to his work, striving to ensure legal equity and justice for the LGBTQ+ community.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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On this episode, Athena, Caroline, and Ellie have the pleasure of meeting Laurie Lee Hall, a transgender woman and former high-ranking member of the Mormon Church.

Laurie shares her remarkable journey of self-discovery, transition, and advocacy, highlighting the importance of community, support, and acceptance. Her story is one of resilience and courage, offering valuable insights into the experiences of transgender individuals within religious communities.

The group explores themes of identity, faith, and social justice, and delves into her memoir, "Dictates of Conscience." This powerful conversation sheds light on the importance of empathy, understanding, and acceptance.

“Laurie Lee Hall, a remarkable individual whose life journey has taken her from being a respected leader in the Mormon Church to becoming a powerful advocate for LGBTQ+ rights.

Laurie is a trans woman who has spent over two decades working as an architect, designing prominent buildings, including temples, for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She has also served as a bishop and stake president within the church, working closely with senior church leaders.

However, Laurie's life took a dramatic turn when she came out as transgender and began her transition. She was subsequently excommunicated from the church, an experience that was both painful and liberating.

Today, Laurie is a sought-after speaker, advocate, and author. Her memoir, 'Dictates of Conscience: From Mormon High Priest to My New Life as a Woman,' has just been published, offering a powerful and deeply personal exploration of her life, faith, and identity.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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On this episode, Caroline, Della, and Honey are joined by Tia Mirage Hall as they discuss the challenges and fears surrounding the new political climate in 2025, with a focus on the increasing number of bills targeting the trans community and the potential for AI to systematically remove changes made to names legally.

The conversation delves into the rise of the alt-right and religious nationalism, the importance of providing accurate and factual information to counter misinformation and disinformation, and the need for grounding and support in the face of fear and uncertainty.

The group also shares their personal experiences and insights, highlighting the importance of community support and solidarity, while encouraging listeners to engage in meaningful discussions, build alliances, and advocate for the rights and well-being of trans individuals.

“Tia Mirage Hall is a renowned entertainer with a distinguished career spanning 24 years. As a prominent advocate for the transgender community, Tia utilizes her platform to raise awareness and promote equality for marginalized individuals.

A celebrated performer, Tia has held numerous prestigious titles, including Miss Gay Indiana, Queen of the Closet, and Circle City Regional. Her passion for entertainment serves as a cathartic outlet, allowing her to express and process her emotions through her performances.

As a black transgender woman, Tia embodies resilience, intelligence, and beauty. Her remarkable life and career serve as a testament to her strength and dedication to creating positive change within her community.”

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“Make it real to me” written by Athena Promachus, covered by Boy Bowser

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