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  • 53. Church Partnerships 2 (mini series)
    Jun 4 2025

    Episode 53 explores biblical foundations for church partnerships in missionary fundraising. Examining Old and New Testament examples, they highlight how God provides through the collective—Israel and the church—supporting Levites, temple workers, and missionaries like Paul. The episode emphasizes mutual provision, spiritual formation, and the unity of the Body of Christ, encouraging missionaries to embrace church partnerships and churches to support sent workers for God’s glory.

    0:05 - 5:00 | Old Testament: Levites and Collective Provision
    Heather introduces the episode, focusing on God’s provision through the collective. Corrie explains how the Levites, landless per God’s design, were supported by Israel’s tithes for their service at the Tent of Meeting, thriving and tithing themselves. Andy notes the mutual worship and provision, forming a triangular relationship benefiting both parties.

    5:01 - 12:04 | Old Testament: Temple Workers and Modern Parallels
    Corrie discusses 2 Kings 12, where King Joash’s temple repair fund supported laborers (carpenters, masons) alongside priests, with funds used honestly. Heather and Andy draw parallels to modern pastors (priests) and missionaries (laborers), emphasizing how financial support frees both to focus on ministry without competing.

    12:05 - 31:36 | New Testament: Church Support for Missionaries
    Corrie highlights the Philippian church’s repeated support for Paul (Philippians 4:15-20), framing gifts as a “fragrant offering” yielding spiritual fruit. Andy reads the passage, noting mutual provision and glory to God. Other examples include Corinth, Galatia, and Rome supporting Jerusalem’s famine-stricken church, showcasing cross-cultural generosity and Paul’s defense of gospel-driven support (1 Corinthians 9).

    31:37 - 46:39 | Formation, Barriers, and Encouragement
    Andy and Corrie discuss how partnerships build faith and interdependence, countering control and fostering ownership. Barriers include time-intensive church processes and fears of rejection or heroic expectations. They encourage transparency, referencing Matthew 10:40-42, 3 John 5-8, and Luke 8:1-3, urging missionaries to invite churches into the harvest and churches to support sent workers for God’s glory.


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  • 52. Church partnerships 1 (mini series)
    May 28 2025

    Episode 52 launches a series on church partnerships, emphasizing their relevance for missionaries. Guest host Corrie McKee, a global worker and author of a forthcoming church partnership curriculum, joins Heather and Andy to discuss stable financial support, networking, and spiritual growth through church collaborations. Sharing personal stories, they highlight how partnerships inspire generosity and plant seeds for future missionaries.


    0:05 - 3:14 | Series and Curriculum Intro
    Heather frames fundraising as personal formation; Andy introduces the church partnership series. Corrie McKee shares how her experience with 12 churches inspired a curriculum to guide missionaries.

    4:12 - 15:23 | Benefits and Spiritual Impact
    Corrie emphasizes churches’ stable, substantial financial support. Andy and Heather highlight networking and spiritual formation, inspiring congregations and future missionaries. Churches focus on long-term care, complementing sending organizations’ training, per Corrie’s “three-legged stool” analogy.

    16:18 - 26:02 | Stories and Challenges
    Corrie describes partnerships with 12 churches via creative efforts; Andy discusses the difference between mega-church and smaller church support. Challenges include navigating large churches, building relationships, and aligning with church visions while addressing accountability.

    27:31 - 34:19 | Committee Insights and Series Preview
    Corrie outlines her church’s support programs and notes biases in support. Heather previews series topics: biblical partnerships, communication, and sustaining relationships. Andy highlights the curriculum, closing with the church’s role in God’s mission.


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  • 51.5 Go ‘Til No: RECAP from our time with Ekren Miller
    May 21 2025

    In this recap episode, Heather Winchell and Andy Brennan revisit their conversation with veteran fundraiser Ekren Miller. Discover why fundraising is an invitation—not begging—and how to cultivate donors through his “Four Pillars” framework: Qualification, Cultivation, Solicitation, and Stewardship. Hear creative cultivation ideas (from yard work to babysitting!), learn how to handle “no” with resilience, and uncover why fundraising shapes who you become. Tune in and walk away with concrete strategies to build lasting donor relationships.

    Key Takeaways

    • Fundraising Is Invitation: Embrace generosity as relationship, not transaction. ​
    • Four‑Pillar Framework: Qualify → Cultivate → Solicit → Steward. ​
    • Creative Cultivation: Offer your time & talents to deepen donor trust. ​
    • “Go Until No”: Persist until you hear an explicit refusal. ​
    • Mindset Shift: View “no” as circumstance, and lean on discipline over emotion.

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  • 51. Borrowing Tools from Big-Org Fundraising with Ekren Miller
    May 14 2025

    In Episode 51, we ask Dr. Ekren Miller, a major gifts fundraiser, to explore the fundraising principles applicable to personal ministry support. Ekren shares his journey from raising small gifts for overseas work to securing large donations for a university, emphasizing relationship-building, confident asking, and donor stewardship. The episode unpacks four fundraising pillars—qualification, cultivation, solicitation, and stewardship—and offers practical tips for overcoming fear, crafting effective asks, and fostering lasting donor relationships, all while framing fundraising as a meaningful, spiritual act of inviting others into a shared mission.


    0:00 - 6:00 | Introduction and Ekren’s Fundraising Journey
    Heather and Andy introduce the episode, focusing on applying major gift principles to personal fundraising. Ekren shares his evolution from raising $1,200 for short-term work to securing $25,000+ gifts, highlighting how early experiences built skills for his professional role.

    6:01 - 23:00 | Reframing Fundraising as Investment and Relationship
    Ekren explains why fundraising feels like asking for money but is an invitation to invest in a meaningful mission. He emphasizes sharing passion authentically to build relationships, drawing on Henry Nouwen’s idea of asking with dignity. Fundraising is spiritual, reflecting God’s design for giving, and requires confidence and professionalism, even for smaller asks.

    23:01 - 48:00 | Fundraising Pillars: Qualification and Cultivation
    Ekren outlines four pillars: qualification (identifying donors with affinity), cultivation (building trust through genuine engagement), solicitation, and stewardship. He advises casting a wide net but moving on after three unresponsive touches, focusing on cultivating those with interest.

    48:01 - 1:19:00 | Solicitation, Stewardship, and Perseverance
    For solicitation, Ekren stresses clear, specific asks (what, why, how much, how long) and letting donors respond first. Stewardship involves consistent gratitude (calls, notes, gifts) to maintain trust, avoiding transactional approaches. He encourages perseverance, discipline, and finding mentors or partners to stay accountable. He notes how generosity surprised him and affirms that funds are available with the right approach.

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  • Goodwin Recap
    May 7 2025

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    22 m
  • 50. When Fundraising Isn’t One-Size-Fits-All: Neurodiversity and Sustainable Ministry with Jenilee Goodwin
    Apr 30 2025

    Fundraising can be exhausting—but what if it’s more than just a tough season? What if the way your brain works actually impacts how you navigate support raising? In this episode, we sit down with certified neurodiverse coach and veteran cross-cultural worker Jenilee Goodwin to talk about how conditions like ADHD, autism, and sensory processing differences shape the fundraising experience.

    From communication overload to executive function challenges to unexpected strengths, Jenilee helps us see how neurodivergent individuals can thrive in ministry—with the right support. Whether you’re neurodivergent yourself, support someone who is, or are shaping organizational policies, this conversation is packed with grace, insight, and practical ideas for a more inclusive approach to support-based ministry.


    🔑 Key Takeaways

    • We explore how ADHD, autism, and other brain-based differences can impact the entire fundraising process—from social cues to email overwhelm.
    • We learn that burnout is common when individuals feel like they’re “failing,” but coaching and reframing can unlock their strengths.
    • We’re reminded that fewer donors might actually be a better fit for neurodivergent workers—and it’s okay to do things differently.
    • We challenge the archetype of a missionary and celebrate creative, customized paths to the field.
    • We discover that good support starts with awareness, acceptance, and a willingness to jostle traditional models.

    🔗 Resources

    • Jenilee’s site: jenileerachel.com
    • Global Trellis Neurodiversity Week (for orgs/team leaders)

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    44 m
  • 49. Sales ≠ Sleazy: Rethinking the S-Word with Bernie Anderson (Soundtracks)
    Apr 23 2025

    In this episode of It’s Not About the Money, we’re joined by Bernie Anderson—missions leader, podcast host, business consultant, and certified Growability coach. Bernie helps us reframe our ideas around sales and fundraising, showing how sales, when done with integrity and generosity, can become a transformative experience for both the giver and the receiver.

    We talk about why fundraising isn’t a transaction but a transformation, why great fundraisers are great listeners, and how donor alignment is better than manipulation. Bernie shares wisdom on identifying donor personalities, avoiding burnout through authenticity, and how storytelling—done honestly—can drive partnership fruit.

    If you've ever felt awkward "making the ask" or have been burned by manipulative sales tactics, this episode will feel like a breath of fresh air. Bernie reminds us that fundraising is discipleship, that rejection isn’t failure, and that there’s no such thing as “sacred vs. secular” when you're doing Kingdom work.

    📚 Books + Articles

    1. To Sell Is Human by Daniel H. Pink
      – A modern, research-driven take on how everyone is in sales, whether they realize it or not.
    2. The Spirituality of Fundraising by Henri Nouwen
      – A short but powerful read framing fundraising as spiritual formation and invitation.

    🎧 Podcasts

    1. The Psychology of Fundraising: Part 1 and Part 2 (Counselor Panel)

    2. NATM Episode 29.5 with Bernie Anderson

    3. Global Trellis Podcast
      – Co-hosted by Bernie Anderson and Amy Young; supports cross-cultural workers in soul care and sustainability.
    4. Growability Podcast
      – Focused on leadership, business development, and nonprofit growth; co-hosted by Bernie.

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    1 h y 7 m
  • 48. It’s Not Impossible: Reframing Fundraising Through Faith and Formation with Tony Dentman (Soundtracks)
    Apr 16 2025

    “I was probably the wealthiest person in my family when I chose to go into ministry—then I had to go back and ask my family for money.”

    “If God did it in my life, He can do it in yours.”

    “If you’re not willing to be faithful, I can’t do much with you. But if you are—I got you.”

    In this powerful episode, Tony Dentman of Funding Tribe joins hosts Heather and Andy to reframe the soundtrack of “This is impossible.” Tony shares his journey from inner-city St. Louis to full-time ministry, despite having no wealthy or Christian background. He explains how his organization empowers minority leaders to get fully funded and mobilized for mission. The conversation dives deep into character formation, faith-building, and the systemic lie that fundraising success is tied to privilege. A must-listen for anyone who has ever doubted their calling or resources.

    🎯 Key Takeaways

    • Fundraising = Formation: It’s not just about hitting goals; it’s about who you become in the journey.
    • Reframe Obstacles: Swap “This is impossible because…” for “How can I overcome this?,” and watch your confidence skyrocket.
    • Built for the Underconnected: Funding Tribe’s system assumes you lack a Rolodex—and that’s exactly why it works.
    • Diversity Is Your Strength: Minority and women leaders bring unique insights for reaching every nation.
    • Faithfulness Over Finals: Success is measured by commitment to the process; character wins whether or not you hit your funding target.

    🔗 Show Notes & Resources: fundingtribe.org


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