On this episode Ari and Caroline are joined by returning guests Dr. Avgi Saketopoulou, Dr. Ann Pellegrini, and Dr Kriya Gishen as they continue discussing Gender without identity, what is means to be trans in a world that dictates so much of our lives, when gender is being used to control others, and how to find ourselves authentically in an unauthentic world.

Ave-hee"Last Name: "Sock-eh-to-poo-loo”Dr. Avgi Saketopoulou is a psychoanalyst in private practice in NYC and a member of the faculty at the NYU Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis.

Ann's Bio (They/Them)Dr. Ann Pellegrini is Professor of Performance Studies & Social and Cultural Analysis at New York University, and a psychoanalyst in private practice in New York City. Their previous books include Performance Anxieties: Staging Psychoanalysis, Staging Race (Routledge, 1997) and the 2014 Lambda Finalist in Best LGBT Non-Fiction “You Can Tell Just by Looking” and 20 Other Myths About LGBT Life and People, coauthored with Michael Bronski and Michael Amico (Beacon Press, 2013).

Dr Kriya specializes in facial aesthetics and reconstruction. Her formal training in both the biological sciences and the visual arts was completed at Brown University and her surgical fellowship in Craniofacial reconstruction and facial aesthetics was completed at the University of California Los Angeles which is one of the oldest and most renowned craniofacial programs in the world.Dr Kriya’s skills embody the synergistic marriage of art and science. Today, she continues her academic pursuits by working as a voluntary faculty member at UCLA, where she works alongside leaders of the craniofacial field to train residents while providing care to pediatric and adult populations. At her private practice, she largely focuses on facial feminization and facial aesthetics; she has a particular passion for rhinoplasty, blepharoplasty and facial rejuvenation. However, with her background as a sculptor she also skillfully performs body contouring and breast procedures.https://www.drkriya.com/"TEXT Trans Narrative Consult to (310) 890-7262."

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