• ‘We Have to Get It Right’: Gary Marcus On Untamed AI
    Sep 26 2024

    It’s a confusing moment in AI. Depending on who you ask, we’re either on the fast track to AI that’s smarter than most humans, or the technology is about to hit a wall. Gary Marcus is in the latter camp. He’s a cognitive psychologist and computer scientist who built his own successful AI start-up. But he’s also been called AI’s loudest critic.

    On Your Undivided Attention this week, Gary sits down with CHT Executive Director Daniel Barcay to defend his skepticism of generative AI and to discuss what we need to do as a society to get the rollout of this technology right… which is the focus of his new book, Taming Silicon Valley: How We Can Ensure That AI Works for Us.

    The bottom line: No matter how quickly AI progresses, Gary argues that our society is woefully unprepared for the risks that will come from the AI we already have.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    Link to Gary’s book: Taming Silicon Valley: How We Can Ensure That AI Works for Us

    Further reading on the deepfake of the CEO of India's National Stock Exchange

    Further reading on the deepfake of of an explosion near the Pentagon.

    The study Gary cited on AI and false memories.

    Footage from Gary and Sam Altman’s Senate testimony.

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    Correction: Gary mistakenly listed the reliability of GPS systems as 98%. The federal government’s standard for GPS reliability is 95%.

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    42 mins
  • AI Is Moving Fast. We Need Laws that Will Too.
    Sep 13 2024

    AI is moving fast. And as companies race to rollout newer, more capable models–with little regard for safety–the downstream risks of those models become harder and harder to counter. On this week’s episode of Your Undivided Attention, CHT’s policy director Casey Mock comes on the show to discuss a new legal framework to incentivize better AI, one that holds AI companies liable for the harms of their products.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    The CHT Framework for Incentivizing Responsible AI Development

    Further Reading on Air Canada’s Chatbot Fiasco

    Further Reading on the Elon Musk Deep Fake Scams

    The Full Text of SB1047, California’s AI Regulation Bill

    Further reading on SB1047

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    Correction: Casey incorrectly stated the year that the US banned child labor as 1937. It was banned in 1938.

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    39 mins
  • Esther Perel on Artificial Intimacy (rerun)
    Sep 6 2024

    [This episode originally aired on August 17, 2023] For all the talk about AI, we rarely hear about how it will change our relationships. As we swipe to find love and consult chatbot therapists, acclaimed psychotherapist and relationship expert Esther Perel warns that there’s another harmful “AI” on the rise — Artificial Intimacy — and how it is depriving us of real connection. Tristan and Esther discuss how depending on algorithms can fuel alienation, and then imagine how we might design technology to strengthen our social bonds.

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    Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel

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    Esther takes a look at modern relationships through the lens of infidelity

    Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel

    Listen in as real couples in search of help bare the raw and profound details of their stories

    How’s Work? with Esther Perel

    Esther’s podcast that focuses on the hard conversations we're afraid to have at work

    Lars and the Real Girl (2007)

    A young man strikes up an unconventional relationship with a doll he finds on the internet

    Her (2013)

    In a near future, a lonely writer develops an unlikely relationship with an operating system designed to meet his every need

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    CORRECTION: Esther refers to the 2007 film Lars and the Real Doll. The title of the film is Lars and the Real Girl.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    45 mins
  • Tech's Big Money Campaign is Getting Pushback with Margaret O'Mara and Brody Mullins
    Aug 26 2024

    Today, the tech industry is the second-biggest lobbying power in Washington, DC, but that wasn’t true as recently as ten years ago. How did we get to this moment? And where could we be going next? On this episode of Your Undivided Attention, Tristan and Daniel sit down with historian Margaret O’Mara and journalist Brody Mullins to discuss how Silicon Valley has changed the nature of American lobbying.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    The Wolves of K Street: The Secret History of How Big Money Took Over Big Government - Brody’s book on the history of lobbying.

    The Code: Silicon Valley and the Remaking of America - Margaret’s book on the historical relationship between Silicon Valley and Capitol Hill

    More information on the Google antitrust ruling

    More Information on KOSPA

    More information on the SOPA/PIPA internet blackout

    Detailed breakdown of Internet lobbying from Open Secrets

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    CORRECTION: Brody Mullins refers to AT&T as having a “hundred million dollar” lobbying budget in 2006 and 2007. While we couldn’t verify the size of their budget for lobbying, their actual lobbying spend was much less than this: $27.4m in 2006 and $16.5m in 2007, according to OpenSecrets.

    The views expressed by guests appearing on Center for Humane Technology’s podcast, Your Undivided Attention, are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of CHT. CHT does not support or oppose any candidate or party for election to public office

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    44 mins
  • This Moment in AI: How We Got Here and Where We’re Going
    Aug 12 2024

    It’s been a year and half since Tristan and Aza laid out their vision and concerns for the future of artificial intelligence in The AI Dilemma. In this Spotlight episode, the guys discuss what’s happened since then–as funding, research, and public interest in AI has exploded–and where we could be headed next. Plus, some major updates on social media reform, including the passage of the Kids Online Safety and Privacy Act in the Senate.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    The AI Dilemma: Tristan and Aza’s talk on the catastrophic risks posed by AI.

    Info Sheet on KOSPA: More information on KOSPA from FairPlay.

    Situational Awareness by Leopold Aschenbrenner: A widely cited blog from a former OpenAI employee, predicting the rapid arrival of AGI.

    AI for Good: More information on the AI for Good summit that was held earlier this year in Geneva.

    Using AlphaFold in the Fight Against Plastic Pollution: More information on Google’s use of AlphaFold to create an enzyme to break down plastics.

    Swiss Call For Trust and Transparency in AI: More information on the initiatives mentioned by Katharina Frey.

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    Clarification: Swiss diplomat Nina Frey’s full name is Katharina Frey.

    The views expressed by guests appearing on Center for Humane Technology’s podcast, Your Undivided Attention, are their own, and do not necessarily reflect the views of CHT. CHT does not support or oppose any candidate or party for election to public office

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    37 mins
  • Decoding Our DNA: How AI Supercharges Medical Breakthroughs and Biological Threats with Kevin Esvelt
    Jul 18 2024

    AI has been a powerful accelerant for biological research, rapidly opening up new frontiers in medicine and public health. But that progress can also make it easier for bad actors to manufacture new biological threats. In this episode, Tristan and Daniel sit down with biologist Kevin Esvelt to discuss why AI has been such a boon for biologists and how we can safeguard society against the threats that AIxBio poses.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    Sculpting Evolution: Information on Esvelt’s lab at MIT.

    SecureDNA: Esvelt’s free platform to provide safeguards for DNA synthesis.

    The Framework for Nucleic Acid Synthesis Screening: The Biden admin’s suggested guidelines for DNA synthesis regulation.

    Senate Hearing on Regulating AI Technology: C-SPAN footage of Dario Amodei’s testimony to Congress.

    The AlphaFold Protein Structure Database

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    Clarification: President Biden’s executive order only applies to labs that receive funding from the federal government, not state governments.

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    33 mins
  • How to Think About AI Consciousness With Anil Seth
    Jul 4 2024

    Will AI ever start to think by itself? If it did, how would we know, and what would it mean?

    In this episode, Dr. Anil Seth and Aza discuss the science, ethics, and incentives of artificial consciousness. Seth is Professor of Cognitive and Computational Neuroscience at the University of Sussex and the author of Being You: A New Science of Consciousness.

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    Frankenstein by Mary Shelley

    A free, plain text version of the Shelley’s classic of gothic literature.

    OpenAI’s GPT4o Demo

    A video from OpenAI demonstrating GPT4o’s remarkable ability to mimic human sentience.

    You Can Have the Blue Pill or the Red Pill, and We’re Out of Blue Pills

    The NYT op-ed from last year by Tristan, Aza, and Yuval Noah Harari outlining the AI dilemma.

    What It’s Like to Be a Bat

    Thomas Nagel’s essay on the nature of consciousness.

    Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?

    Philosopher Nick Bostrom’s essay on the simulation hypothesis.

    Anthropic’s Golden Gate Claude

    A blog post about Anthropic’s recent discovery of millions of distinct concepts within their LLM, a major development in the field of AI interpretability.

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    48 mins
  • Why Are Migrants Becoming AI Test Subjects? With Petra Molnar
    Jun 20 2024

    Climate change, political instability, hunger. These are just some of the forces behind an unprecedented refugee crisis that’s expected to include over a billion people by 2050. In response to this growing crisis, wealthy governments like the US and the EU are employing novel AI and surveillance technologies to slow the influx of migrants at their borders. But will this rollout stop at the border?

    In this episode, Tristan and Aza sit down with Petra Molnar to discuss how borders have become a proving ground for the sharpest edges of technology, and especially AI. Petra is an immigration lawyer and co-creator of the Migration and Technology Monitor. Her new book is “The Walls Have Eyes: Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.”

    Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology. Follow us on Twitter: @HumaneTech_

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    The Walls Have Eyes: Surviving Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence

    Petra’s newly published book on the rollout of high risk tech at the border.

    Bots at the Gate

    A report co-authored by Petra about Canada’s use of AI technology in their immigration process.

    Technological Testing Grounds

    A report authored by Petra about the use of experimental technology in EU border enforcement.

    Startup Pitched Tasing Migrants from Drones, Video Reveals

    An article from The Intercept, containing the demo for Brinc’s taser drone pilot program.

    The UNHCR

    Information about the global refugee crisis from the UN.

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    CLARIFICATION:

    The iBorderCtrl project referenced in this episode was a pilot project that was discontinued in 2019

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    46 mins