In this episode of From Woke to Work, Kamala talks about sympathy and why it matters that on your way to actually taking action to reject a racist world order, you actually spend some time feeling bad. If the state-sanctioned death of your fellow citizens does not deeply disturb you, there is likely something else going on.

Listen as she unpacks sympathy with Crystal Marie, a Marketer and writer who has worked with major brands and who loves writing about everyone’s favorite uncomfortable topics: faith, politics, race, relationships, and current events.

Jump straight into:

(03:11) - Why having sympathy can change someone’s life - “It's one of those things that you want to believe that is just human nature”.

(09:58) - How do Crystal Marie processes the grief around anti-blackness - “I think someone said something about, black lives matter being so divisive. And I said, is it a bad divide though?”.

(15:23) - About Tamir Rice’s murder - “My immediate thought was maybe I heard the story wrong. Maybe I'm missing some key information. Maybe the story is being painted in an exaggerated, like yellow journalism type way”.

(23:43) - On Social Media and how unsympathetic people can be - “How can you, as an ally leveraging sympathy, think about how you can create space for a black person in your life to take a mental break?”.

(29:14) - Push others on reflecting about white supremacy - “It's the frame of, how would you feel if this thing happened to your child? Or to someone that you know, someone in your life.”

(33:12) - If you approach your friends for help, do it without creating emotional weight - “How dare you to hold this banner of care? When, when someone that, you know, came to you and had a very polite conversation with you about it, and it didn't matter”.

(40:35) - FAQ (Frequently Ally Questions): Why is it wrong to say “All Lives Matter”? - “First off, there's no such thing as a blue life because you can take a uniform off. My husband, my son, myself... I can't take off my Brown skin”

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From Woke to Work is a show produced and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon in partnership with Julian Lewis and TJ Bonaventura at StudioPod. Edited at Nodalab, art by Tommy Gomez, and music produced by davecantrap.