Episodes

  • 0107 | Oh, God

    0107 | Oh, God
    Feb 1 2024
    Season finale.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Featuring:
    Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
    Albert Perkins

    Resources:
    • Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
    • How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
    • The New York Times
    • The Harvard Political Review
    • The National Institutes for Health
    • The National Institues for Health
    • The American Psychological Association
    • The Harvard University Press
    • The Hill
    • The Trevor Project
    • The Human Rights Campaign
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Adi Goldstein
    Featured music by: Frank Ocean
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    28 mins
  • Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements

    Studio BOTH/AND News & Announcements
    Jan 31 2024
    Catch up on all things Studio BOTH/AND for the month of February (and beyond).

    This month's news:
    • New tours and events
    • Unsafe Spaces update
    • The Karen & Ellen Letters update
    • True Crime Bullsh** update
    • New projects
    • Our Americana update
    • Studio BOTH/AND Launch Party follow-up in The Berkshires this October
    • What's happening on Patreon this month

    Links:
    • True Crime Podcast Festival, use promo code JOSH for 15% off
    • Studio BOTH/AND Patreon
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    4 mins
  • 0106 | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts

    0106 | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts
    Jan 25 2024
    To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
    Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

    Next episode: 1 February 2024

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Perfume Genius
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    1 hr and 17 mins
  • 0105 | Open Secret

    0105 | Open Secret
    Jan 11 2024
    At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
    Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

    Next episode: 25 January 2024

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Resources:
    • Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
    • The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
    • The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561
    Featuring:
    Albert Perkins

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
    Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • 0104 | It Was Steven

    0104 | It Was Steven
    Nov 16 2023
    Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing.

    Unsafe Spaces is on a mid-season break, and will return on January 4.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz

    Featuring:
    • Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential
    • Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Chris Garneau
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    38 mins
  • 0103 | It Was Scott

    0103 | It Was Scott
    Nov 9 2023
    Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz
    Audio editing by Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast)

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott?
    • Newspapers.com
    • CNN.com
    • Equity Florida Action, Inc

    Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book
    Featured music by: Owen Pallett
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    40 mins
  • 0102 | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked

    0102 | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked
    Oct 26 2023
    Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names.


    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz
    Featuring: Jason Leroy (The Binge Movie Podcast)


    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand


    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • Uncovered
    • The Tampa Bay Times
    • Newspapers.com
    • The Albuquerque Journal
    • Amnesty International


    Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Yotam Agam, Theatre of Delays, Grisly Bill, and Benjamin Esterlis
    Featured music by: Jacob Fossum
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    36 mins
  • 0101 | Let's Violate the World

    0101 | Let's Violate the World
    Oct 19 2023
    On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
    With additional research by: Kaz.
    Featuring: Eric Schmidt and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential).

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
    truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • Uncovered
    • Clearwater Police Department
    • The Tampa Bay Times: 1 2 3

    Music by: Colour Book, Yehezkel Rez, Roniit, Raz Burg, Raz Burg, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Josef Salvat
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    43 mins