On Scope: The Marketing Podcast

By: Host Mike Berberich and Producer Ryan Dinger
  • Summary

  • On Scope is the official podcast of the ANA, an association serving the marketing needs of more than 50,000 brands that collectively invest more than $400 billion in marketing and advertising annually. The show is the most authoritative and thought-provoking podcast available on marketing. You’ll hear candid conversations with some of marketing’s smartest and most influential leaders, on topics that matter most to you.
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Episodes
  • The Consequences of Never-Ending Growth with Rupen Desai
    Feb 20 2025

    Rupen Desai, former CMO at Dole and current partner at Una Terra Venture, joined host Mike Berberich to discuss how brands can balance the sustainability of the business with that of the planet. The duo covered how marketers can convince executives to move away from a short-term, quarter-over-quarter mindset and embrace a longer view, how brands can begin to wean themselves off the addiction to business growth at any cost, strategies for convincing younger generations that capitalism can be part of the solution when it comes to climate change, and reasons Rupen has hope for the future.

    On “Marketing News You Might Have Missed,” Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discuss a new study that indicates consumers want more positivity from brands and how marketers might respond to this revelation.

    To check out playbooks, tools, research, case studies, and more from the ANA’s Marketing Knowledge Center, head to ana.net/mkc.

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    55 mins
  • The Performance Marketing Fallacy with Maggie Gross
    Feb 13 2025

    Maggie Gross, head of strategy and brand practice leader at Deloitte Digital, joined the show to discuss the marketing heavyweight battle of the century — performance marketing vs. branding. Gross has been a persistent and vocal advocate for branding, arguing that CMOs and senior marketers must do a better job of selling the strategy to the C-suite. On this episode, she and host Mike Berberich discussed the origins of how branding and performance marketing have become pitted against one another, how senior marketers can better sell brand investments to executives, and tips for how to more accurately measure branding efforts.

    On “This Week in ANA Magazine,” Matthew Schwartz joined the show to share a story on Europe’s Accessibility Act, which is set to take effect later this year, impact global brands, and could serve as a bellwether for future regulations in the U.S.

    Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger also discussed why they think Super Bowl advertising has lost the plot.

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    39 mins
  • Why Your Brand Sucks at Personalization with David Edelman
    Feb 6 2025

    n this episode, David Edelman, author and former CMO at Aetna, joined host Mike Berberich to discuss why the uptake has been slow for brands investing in personalization efforts, despite the proven record of success. The pair also covered the requirements for building a best-in-class personalization system and the five promises brands can make to consumers through personalization, which were lifted from David’s book, Personalized: Customer Strategy in the Age of AI.

    On Marketing News You Might Have Missed, Mike and show producer Ryan Dinger discussed a legal decision from the UK in which sports betting brand Sky Betting & Gaming was dinged by a judge for persistently sending personalized marketing messages to an individual showing clear signs of gambling addiction.

    To learn how to harness AI for smarter, more personalized consumer experiences, check out the ANA’s new workshop, Artificial Intelligence & The Hyper-Personalized Brand.

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    47 mins

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