On the night of August 20, 1989, brothers Lyle and Erik Menendez committed a crime that would send shockwaves through the American public—a double homicide that was as brutal as it was inexplicable. In this episode, we examine the chilling events surrounding the murders of their wealthy parents, José and Kitty Menendez, inside their Beverly Hills home.

With a staggering level of violence, José was shot multiple times in the back while sitting on the couch, and Kitty was gunned down as she attempted to escape. Yet, it wasn’t just the grisly nature of the crime that made headlines—it was the shocking reactions of the brothers in the hours and days that followed.

Rather than fleeing or showing immediate signs of distress, Lyle and Erik’s behavior seemed remarkably unphased. Lyle’s frantic 911 call, his attempt to play the role of a devastated son, contrasted with Erik’s seemingly detached demeanor. The brothers gave conflicting statements to police, and their actions—going on shopping sprees, taking a trip to the movies, and even laughing with friends in the days after the murders—left many wondering: were they truly in shock, or was there something darker at play? In this episode, we explore the initial aftermath of the murders.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

There is hope! Learn about John Gottman's Antidotes to the Four Horsemen. These are designed to stop the damaging Four Horsemen in their tracks, and help you and your partner develop a strong foundation for a healthy relationship!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Did Rhonda Casto fall to her death while hiking with her fiance, Steve Nichols, or is there more to the story? Join us as we discuss his ever-changing narrative and motivations in the case.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Did you know John Gottman can predict with surprising accuracy whether or not a couple will split based on a very short observation of how they interact? Join us this week for a discussion surrounding John Gottman's Four Horsemen. These behavior and relationship dynamics contribute to the demise of relationship. There is hope to make changes if you put the work in, but the first step is identifying the problem!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

It's the one you have all been asking for!! The Moscow, Idaho murders in November of 2022 is covered including Brian Kohberger's alleged involvement. Join us in a forensic psychological discussion of what may have driven Kohberger based on his development and psychology, and learn about the amazing victims lost in this tragedy. The victims' lives and light continue to shine in the midst of terror offering hope in a heinous landscape.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

In this episode we revisit the Clown craze and terror of 2016 that swept that globe. Group think and the power of social media is explored as we discuss our instinctive fear responses including flight, fight, freeze, and fawn.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

This episode covers the case of the Scream copycat murder of Cassie Jo Stoddart by teens Brian Lee Draper and Torey Adamcik on September 22, 2006. We discuss the murder, influence of media, how this might have been prevented and how to protect yourself and your teens.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Join us as we discuss the final parts of the Gainesville Ripper case with our forensic friend, Lisa VanderGriend, MA, LPC, RPTS. The court case, his curious romantic entanglements and prevention work with children are explored in this important episode. Reach out to us in our DMs for information about play therapy resources if you need them! Trigger Warning: This episode contains some graphic content.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.