Ryan Carrier is Executive Director at ForHumanity/ President at ForHumanity Europe, a public charity operating in 98 countries that examines the impact of AI and autonomous systems on jobs, society, rights and freedoms, as well as the downside risks and challenges associated with these technologies. Ryan shares his unusual career journey, which started in finance and led to the founding of ForHumanity in March 2020. Initially focused on drafting audit rules for digital contact tracing during the pandemic, they have since developed more than 50 certification schemes and submitted them to governments and regulators for approval. We discuss:

• responsible AI development
• the need for independent audits promote compliance with emerging regulations
• the importance of AI literacy (and how it ought to be defined)
• why compliance is often cheaper than paying fines for non-compliance, yet many companies currently view fines as just a cost of doing business
• the marketing benefits of a “Good Housekeeping” seal of approval to verify compliance

We also veer into several other emerging technologies that are problematic from a societal/ethical standpoint, such as emotional recognition technology, those advancing "transhumanism," and gene editing. Also - ForHumanity just published 62 use cases for HR, designed to provide auditors with examples of best practices and compliant outputs. We discuss one such use case involving mental health chatbots - the potential for good as well as the considerable downside risk.

A truly fascinating conversation with a man - and organization - doing remarkable, vitally important, and largely unsung work.