Truth Actuality and the Limits of Thought

Twelve Conversations with David Bohm, Brockwood Park, UK and Gstaad, Switzerland, 1975

By: Jiddu Krishnamurti

Narrated by: Jiddu Krishnamurti

• What is truth, and what is reality? 18 May 1975. Duration: 70 minutes.

What is truth, and what is reality?

Anything that thought thinks about or reacts upon or projects - that is reality. And that reality has nothing to do with truth.

The art of seeing is to place reality where it is and not move that in order to get truth. You can't get truth.

How am I to empty that consciousness and yet retain knowledge - otherwise I couldn't function - and reach a state which will comprehend reality?

• Seeing 'what is' is action. 24 May 1975. Duration: 122 minutes.

If truth is something totally different from reality, then what place has action in daily life, in relation to truth and reality?

Seeing 'what is' is action.

What place has love in truth? When I separate you, in that separation love cannot exist.

How are you to convey the sense of truth to a student?

As long as I live in the field of reality, which has its own energy, that energy will not free me.

When the mind is empty, when the mind is nothing, not a thing, in that there is perception.

• Thought cannot bring about an insight. 31 May 1975. Duration: 81 minutes.

Is there thinking without the word?

The action brought about by thought into the investigation of an analysis is always incomplete.

Insight is complete. It is not fragmented, as thought is. So thought cannot bring about insight.

I must have an insight into conditioning, otherwise I can't dissolve it.

What takes place when I have an insight that the observer is the observed?

In nothingness there is complete security and stability.

• The intelligence of love. 14 June 1975. Duration: 87 minutes.

Why has desire become such an extraordinarily important thing in life?

How does desire arise from perception?

Can I desire truth?

Is the energy of nothingness different from the energy of things?

Is that nothingness a hypothesis, a theory, a verbal structure, or truth?

In dying to the reality, only then there is nothingness.

• Attention implies that there is no centre. 22 June 1975. Duration: 126 minutes.

  Consciousness, because it is in constant movement, has never found an energy which is not contradictory, which is not produced by desire and thought.

  Can thought ever see its own movement and the futility of its own movement?

  Attention implies that there is no centre.

  Is there a perception, a seeing outside the space which is part of consciousness?

  There are two human beings; one gets conditioned, and the other doesn't. Why? How has it happened the other doesn't get conditioned?

  How does this perception, which is beyond attention, beyond awareness, beyond concentration come about?

©1975 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust Ltd. (P)2016 Krishnamurti Foundation Trust Ltd.

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Excellent dialogues. The recording can be a little difficult to comprehend at first but I was able to hear what they say pretty quick.
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These series of talks between him and Bohm (which lol I thought was a disciple) are the most fascinating, mind opening discussions I’ve heard up to this point. Not only do you get to see the care and patience that krishnamurti rubs off on bohm but how bohm grows and more in the space that krishnamurti has carved out.

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