In this episode of A Case for Grace, Kate and Geoffrey explore a powerful idea: Was Jesus actually anti-religious?

They dive into the tension between religion and relationship, discuss their personal spiritual transformation, and unpack how grace, not rules, is the foundation of a Christ-centered life. From New Age spirituality to discovering the truth of the Gospel, this is a conversation for anyone questioning traditional church structures or seeking deeper connection with God.

Topics Covered:

• Why Jesus clashed with religious leaders
• The danger of legalism and spiritual pride
• The beauty of being interdenominational
• How The Chosen visually brought the Gospel to life
• Why rules may guide us, but love and grace must lead
• Creating space for conversation over condemnation
• The stages of faith and why every journey matters

Key Scriptures:

• Matthew 23:27-28
• Matthew 22:37-40

Timestamps:
00:00 – Was Jesus anti-religious?
00:26 – What interdenominational really means
01:28 – Why church people almost made us walk away
02:19 – How The Chosen brought the Gospel to life
03:06 – From New Age mysticism to finding Jesus
04:57 – Why Jesus embodied perfect human nature
06:22 – When religion doesn't look like Jesus
07:13 – What unifies us: truth over tribalism
08:16 – Fear of stepping outside the religious box
09:10 – Do rules really change our character?
09:26 – Jesus rebuking religious hypocrisy
10:20 – There’s a time and place for rules, but we must grow
11:17 – Creating space for open dialogue in faith
12:16 – What to do when relationship is greater than religion
13:06 – "We see the world as we are, not as it is"
14:23 – Why different teachers are needed for different seasons
15:05 – Stop demonizing the stages that helped you grow
16:51 – Wrapping up: Jesus is about grace, not rules

Listen now for a refreshing take on what it really means to follow Jesus—not religion.

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