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In this episode, host Doug Stuart is joined by Jim Babka and Jacob Winograd for a lively conversation that moves beyond the oversimplified "open versus closed borders" debate.

Together, they reflect on the recent Soho Forum clash between Dave Smith and Alex Nowrasteh, dissect how libertarians can approach immigration theory and policy, and discuss the implications for Christians invested in political discourse. From philosophical foundations like property rights and voluntarism to real-world concerns about the state’s role, cultural effects, and compassion for individuals, this episode steers away from talking points towards practical and principled engagement.

Whether you’re a seasoned libertarian, curious Christian, or someone passionate about how faith and liberty intersect in today’s world, this episode will challenge your assumptions and equip you for deeper conversations about justice, borders, and what it means to truly respect the humanity of others people.

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Dr. Charles Stanish was our guest to talk about his archaeological work and what it tells us about the evolution of human cooperation and complex societies–and particularly the surprising existence of complex stateless societies and what we might learn from them. Dr. Stanish is an archaeologist who has worked extensively in Peru, Bolivia, and Chile, conducting research on the prehistoric societies of the region. He is the author of The Evolution of Human Co-operation, among other books and articles.

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