LL thinks the Devil here is somewhat like a trickster figure, in that he is not pure malice. In this story, he gives them choices but also a way out of their contract. I thought of him here as being contained by other forces: besides the contract, he is connected to his grandmother. He’s a fair devil, in a way, although not without his tricks. The virtue and spirit, the faith, of the lead soldier is his strength.

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A Funny Devil in the Grimm’s “The Devil and His Grandmother” (Clip)

We both particularly like this story, which humanizes the devil by having a grandmother involved. It’s like a grandmother’s protecting the neighbors from her teenage son’s antics. “How many souls did you harvest today?” “Not such a good day today, but I’m looking forward to condemning these three new guys to eternal damnation! Not all is lost!”

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Summary of the Grimm’s “The Devil and His Grandmother” (Part 3) (Clip)

The proactive soldier escapes through the window and lets his companions in on the riddle’s answer. They meet the Evil Prince, who sneers that he’ll soon give them a meal in Hell, but the three men each answer a part of the riddle. The Devil screams and flies away and the three live blessed lives.

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The contracted seven golden years have just about passed, and the three men are approached by an old woman. This helper instructs them to venture into the forest, and there is a rock that resembles a house where they’ll get aid. The optimist goes and explains his situation to the lady within, who is the Devil’s grandmother. He hides under the stone that covers the cellar and listens to their communion after the Devil returns. He reveals the answer to the riddle and then goes to sleep.

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Three military men decide to risk execution and desert because they have not been paid. Hiding out in a corn field, they are aghast to see soldiers surrounding it when they try to exit. Thinking they’ll die, at last a dragon flies to them and makes inquiries before revealing himself as the Devil. He will extricate them if they’ll serve him for seven years.

Equipping them with a gold-producing whip, he tells them they’ll either be free or burn in eternal fire after seven years, depending on their answer to a riddle of his. They live it up but as the seventh year approacheth, only one of them remains hopeful.

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Yet at the end of the story, the giants remain roaming, and I speculate about their nature, which may be mindless consumption; for Christians, this may be a representation of the historical development from the seemingly consumptive, anthropomorphic and natural gods to rulers that bring order and serve the people in some way in a new kind of kingdom. Jack, the everyman, comes up to this rulership not by conquering, but by character, and so echoes many heroes of Christendom.

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Jack starts with little, with barely his basic needs met, but he displays ambition even after his initial material successes. This may show something like Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, where, after basic material needs and social success, one may have meaning and political needs.

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LL thinks the story is about what truly sustains people, things like beauty, order, and truth (in the form of good judgment, which leads to good governance). At first, his parents provide for Jack – a house, an axe, tools, caring, and food. Then he leaves home and begins to negotiate. He crosses the bridge threshold and receives help from a wizard (< ”wise”). Life symbolically proliferates, and Jack’s risk for the first time leads to profit more than his mother’s cautious instincts. Life moves forward. Analyzing the characters, his mother is a protector, the wizard pushes Jack to mature, and the giants challenge, threaten and inadvertently provide for him. The stakes have been raised, and Jack decides to risk a better life.

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