In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the current sentiment in the market, contrasting consumer sentiment with investor sentiment amid economic uncertainty. They explore the implications of bearish investor attitudes and the potential for a recession and reflect on the anniversary of the COVID-19 pandemic's impact on the economy. The conversation also highlights key economic indicators to watch in the coming week, including retail sales and Fed decisions.

Then, Liz Ann speaks with Kevin Gordon about the overall economic landscape, focusing on recession indicators, labor market dynamics, and the recent earnings season. They explore the implications of tariff policies on business confidence and the challenges companies face in providing guidance, given the uncertainty.

Kathy and Liz Ann also discuss the data and economic indicators they will be watching in the coming week, including the upcoming FOMC meeting.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

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ISM is the Institute for Supply Management.

PMI is the Purchasing Managers Index.

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In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders review some of the recent questions they have received from investors. Their questions and answers focus on the current economic landscape and cover topics ranging from bond yields to the impact of tariffs to the Federal Reserve's stance to the performance of key indexes and stocks. They explore the complexities of government debt, the dollar's reserve status, and the ongoing debate between growth and value stocks, providing insights into what investors should watch moving forward.

Check out schwab.com/FAQs to see more frequently asked questions and whether any questions you may have are already answered there.

Kathy and Liz Ann also discuss the data and economic indicators they will be watching in the coming week.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Currency trading is speculative, volatile and not suitable for all investors.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs and expenses, and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.

Diversification and asset allocation strategies do not ensure a profit and cannot protect against losses in a declining market.

Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

Positive correlation refers to a relationship in which two variables tend to move in the same direction (i.e., they both increase, or they both decrease). Negative correlation refers to a relationship in which the variables tend to move in opposite directions (i.e., one increases, and the other decreases, or vice versa).

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Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders discuss the recent drawdown in markets and debate whether this is a growth scare or something more lasting in the bond market.

What's the housing market outlook for 2025? Liz Ann Sonders interviews noted housing market expert Ivy Zelman, executive vice president and co-founder of Zelman & Associates. Ivy reflects on the unique economic cycle that has emerged since the pandemic, particularly its impact on the housing market.

She highlights the significant migration trends, supply and demand dynamics, and the challenges of affordability. The discussion also touches on the role of public versus private builders, the effects of climate change on housing, and the interplay between economic uncertainty and consumer confidence. Ivy emphasizes the importance of regional variations in housing markets and the potential tailwinds that could support the industry moving forward.

Check out Ivy's memoir, Gimme Shelter: Hard Calls + Soft Skills From a Wall Street Trailblazer.

Kathy and Liz Ann also discuss the data and economic indicators they will be watching in the coming week.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the presentation are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

The book(s) Gimme Shelter: Hard Calls + Soft Skills From a Wall Street Trailblazer is not affiliated with, sponsored by, or endorsed by Charles Schwab & Co., Inc. (CS&Co.). Schwab has not reviewed the book and makes no representations about its content.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs and expenses, and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.

Diversification and asset allocation strategies do not ensure a profit and cannot protect against losses in a declining market.

Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

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In this episode, Kathy Jones and Liz Ann Sonders start out by discussing the latest developments in economic policy and tariffs. They also cover the latest inflation readings and their implications on the dollar and the Treasury market. Then, Liz Ann sits down with Phil Mackintosh, chief economist and senior vice president at Nasdaq.

They discuss the unique economic cycle in the U.S., post-pandemic, focusing on the interplay between micro- and macroeconomics. Mackintosh explains his thoughts on the role of tariffs, the Federal Reserve's current policy, immigration's impact on the labor force, and the outlook for profit margins and earnings. Phil and Liz Ann also examine the influence of AI on productivity, the performance of the Magnificent Seven stocks, and the challenges faced by small-cap companies. Finally, Mackintosh shares insights on valuation in a growth-oriented economy and outlines the risks and opportunities that lie ahead.

You can read Phil Mackintosh's weekly newsletter, Market Makers, on Nasdaq.com.

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

The comments, views, and opinions expressed in the presentation are those of the speakers and do not necessarily represent the views of Charles Schwab.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.

Currency trading is speculative, volatile and not suitable for all investors.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Indexes are unmanaged, do not incur management fees, costs and expenses, and cannot be invested in directly. For more information on indexes, please see schwab.com/indexdefinitions.

All names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.

Diversification and asset allocation strategies do not ensure a profit and cannot protect against losses in a declining market.

The PHLX Semiconductor Sector Index (SOX) is a modified market capitalization-weighted index composed of companies primarily involved in the design, distribution, manufacture, and sale of semiconductors.

Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

The Sahm rule is triggered when the three-month average U.S. unemployment rate rises by 0.50% or more from its 12-month low, which indicates a recession is underway.

The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

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In this episode, Liz Ann Sonders and Kathy Jones discuss the intersection of market analysis and political developments, particularly focusing on the implications of a second Trump term. They explore the performance of major tech stocks, the impact of regulatory changes on various sectors, and the current state of the bond market. The conversation also delves into the ongoing earnings season, highlighting the trends in corporate performance and expectations for the Federal Reserve's future actions amid economic uncertainty.

Finally, Kathy and Liz Ann look ahead to the data and economic indicators that investors should be watching next week.

You can read Liz Ann and Kevin Gordon's article, which she mentions, here: "A Look at Hard vs. Soft Data."

On Investing is an original podcast from Charles Schwab. For more on the show, visit schwab.com/OnInvesting.

If you enjoy the show, please leave a rating or review on Apple Podcasts.

Important Disclosures

The information provided here is for general informational purposes only and should not be considered an individualized recommendation or personalized investment advice. The investment strategies mentioned here may not be suitable for everyone. Each investor needs to review an investment strategy for his or her own particular situation before making any investment decision.

All expressions of opinion are subject to change without notice in reaction to shifting market conditions. Data contained herein from third-party providers is obtained from what are considered reliable sources. However, its accuracy, completeness, or reliability cannot be guaranteed.

Examples provided are for illustrative purposes only and not intended to be reflective of results you can expect to achieve.

Investing involves risk, including loss of principal.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results and the opinions presented cannot be viewed as an indicator of future performance.

Performance may be affected by risks associated with non-diversification, including investments in specific countries or sectors. Additional risks may also include, but are not limited to, investments in foreign securities, especially emerging markets, real estate investment trusts (REITs), fixed income, municipal securities including state specific municipal securities, small capitalization securities and commodities. Each individual investor should consider these risks carefully before investing in a particular security or strategy.

All corporate names and market data shown above are for illustrative purposes only and are not a recommendation, offer to sell, or a solicitation of an offer to buy any security.

Fixed income securities are subject to increased loss of principal during periods of rising interest rates. Fixed income investments are subject to various other risks including changes in credit quality, market valuations, liquidity, prepayments, early redemption, corporate events, tax ramifications, and other factors. Lower rated securities are subject to greater credit risk, default risk, and liquidity risk.

Forecasts contained herein are for illustrative purposes only, may be based upon proprietary research and are developed through analysis of historical public data.

The policy analysis provided by the Charles Schwab & Co., Inc., does not constitute and should not be interpreted as an endorsement of any political party.

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