Mark Wheeler, CMO of Storyblok, shares insights into how Storyblock differentiates itself from other headless CMS providers, discusses the shift from traditional search to AI search, and how an API-first approach can enhance content visibility in the age of generative.

He offers valuable advice for marketers, encouraging them to focus on personalization and to be ambitious in their campaigns. He also advised those starting their marketing careers to embrace failure as a learning opportunity and to strive for impactful marketing that resonates with audiences.

About Storyblok

Storyblok is a headless CMS for marketers and developers who want to make a bigger, faster market impact. It frees you from the pain of legacy CMS platforms and empowers your teams to ship content quickly and build with complete flexibility.

Brands like Adidas, T-Mobile, and Renault use Storyblok to make content management fun and collaborative. It’s Joyful Headless™ and it changes everything.

About Mark

Mark Wheeler is the CMO of Storyblok and leads the marketing strategy and execution to drive business growth and redefine the CMS category. Recognized as a Top 100 B2B global CMO, he's dedicated to building communities for marketers and developers. With a deep understanding of digital experiences, Mark ensures Storyblok delivers exceptional value.

Previously, as CMO of LeanIX, he played a key role in doubling customers in two years and contributing to its successful acquisition by SAP. He has also held senior marketing roles at Nutanix, EMC, Sitecore, and Adobe.

Time Stamps

00:00:18 - Guest Introduction: Mark Wheeler, CMO of Storyblock 00:00:42 - Mark's Career Journey in Tech Marketing 00:01:46 - What is a Joyful Headless CMS? 00:05:09 - The Relationship Between Marketers and Developers 00:07:47 - Who Uses a Headless CMS Like Storyblock? 00:09:31 - The Importance of API-First CMS in AI Search 00:14:09 - AI Tools and Enhancements in Storyblock 00:16:13 - Marketing Challenges with Legacy Platforms 00:19:07 - Strategies for Reaching Marketers 00:21:08 - Successful Campaigns and Content Strategies 00:24:03 - Quickfire Round: Marketing Advice Quotes

"The Joyful brand or the Joyful Headless brand came about through really just speaking to a lot of our existing customers and partners who just kept on expressing that it got rid of a lot of the pain that they'd been feeling with their previous CMS products." Mark Wheeler, CMO of Storyblok

“One of the brands that I think I most admire, particularly about 15 years ago, was HubSpot. And the reason I admired them in particular was because they really focused on their content marketing strategy." Mark Wheeler, CMO of Storyblok

"I think the best managers will always celebrate failures as much as they celebrate the successes. And the best marketers I've always met... wanted to do the bigger and more impactful things." Mark Wheeler, CMO of Storyblok

Follow Mark:

Mark Wheeler on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markwheeler/

Storyblok website: https://www.storyblok.com/

Storyblok on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/storyblok/

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Lars Grønnegaard, COO and Co-Founder of Dreamdata, joins Mike to discuss data utilization in B2B marketing and the importance of understanding what truly drives sales.

They talk about the complexities of attribution in B2B marketing, particularly with long buying cycles, and highlight the importance of collecting and analyzing data, even though multi-touch attribution can be controversial.

Lars explains how Dreamdata addresses the challenge of data overload in B2B marketing by building robust data models that connect various data sources, enabling marketers to analyze campaign effectiveness and make informed decisions.

About Dreamdata

Dreamdata is the leading B2B Activation & Attribution Platform that provides the most complete customer journey map anywhere. We gather, join, and clean all revenue-related data, transforming it into transparent, actionable insights about what truly drives B2B revenue. Dreamdata empowers businesses to optimize their go-to-market activities, ensuring they can produce faster, better-performing customer journeys and deliver more revenue growth.

About Lars Grønnegaard

Lars Grønnegaard is a passionate problem-solver focused on revolutionizing B2B go-to-market strategies. As COO & Co-founder of Dreamdata, he's dedicated to empowering B2B companies with holistic, actionable data to drive smarter decisions, optimize customer journeys, and accelerate revenue growth. His journey from VP Product at Trustpilot (where he was instrumental in its product growth to unicorn status) to building Dreamdata stems from a deep understanding that B2Bs are rich in data but often struggle to turn it into actionable insights.

Time Stamps

00:00:43 - Lars's Career Journey and Founding Dreamdata 00:03:13 - Startup Environment in Denmark 00:05:30 - The Challenge of Data Clarity in Marketing 00:08:22 - Attribution vs. Incremental Sales Testing 00:10:39 - Long Buying Cycles in B2B 00:16:12 - Maintaining Data Models Over Time 00:19:17 - Freemium Model and Customer Trials 00:22:44 - Ad Spend and ROI Considerations 00:28:49 - Best Marketing Advice from Lars 00:29:39 - Advice for Aspiring Marketers 00:30:34 - Where to Learn More About Dreamdata

Quotes

"You can probably cancel somewhere between 25 and 75 percent of your ad spend and see no impact on your pipeline performance." Lars Grønnegaard, COO and Co-Founder of Dreamdata

"The fundamental problem here is not lack of data or tracking... but the problem is all this data doesn't really connect." Lars Grønnegaard, COO and Co-Founder of Dreamdata

Follow Lars:

Lars Grønnegaard on LinkedIn: https://dk.linkedin.com/in/larsgroennegaard

Dreamdata’s website: https://dreamdata.io/

Dreamdata on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/dreamdata-io/

Follow Mike:

Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

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Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder and CEO of Agorapulse, talks about how the company grew from a Facebook contest tool into a full social media management platform. He shares the ups and downs of keeping up with the fast-changing world of social media marketing and how B2B marketers can the get most out of their social media platforms.

He encourages B2B marketers to focus on providing value through educational and entertaining content and offers practical advice for leveraging team members and influencers to enhance social media engagement.

About Agorapulse

Founded in 2010 by Emeric Ernoult and Benoît Hédiard, Agorapulse is a leading social media management platform headquartered in Paris, France. Designed for businesses, agencies, and marketers, Agorapulse streamlines social media workflows by providing tools to schedule posts, monitor conversations, engage with audiences, and analyze performance across multiple platforms, including Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, and TikTok.

About Emeric Ernoult

Emeric is the co-founder and CEO of Agorapulse, a leading social media management platform he grew to $20 million in revenue without external funding. Under his leadership, Agorapulse has distinguished itself in the competitive landscape by ranking #1 across top software review sites like G2, GetApp, Capterra, Appvizer (France), and OMR (Germany). Emeric's strategic vision and commitment to innovation have set industry benchmarks, including the first-ever social media inbox in 2014 and pioneering ROI tracking and analytics features for social media—patented innovations that help marketers prove the value of their investments.

Time Stamps

00:00:17 - Guest Introduction: Emeric Ernoult 00:02:07 - Differences Between the Bay Area and Europe for Startups 00:04:19 - Agorapulse: Solving Social Media Chaos 00:09:29 - B2B Marketing: Beyond LinkedIn 00:11:02 - Measuring Social Media Success 00:16:21 - The Challenge of Entertaining vs. Selling on Social Media 00:21:47 - Tips for B2B Marketers to Create Engaging Content 00:25:59 - Best Marketing Advice Received 00:28:34 - Advice for New Marketers 00:31:47 - Connecting with Emerick and Agorapulse

Quotes

"Social media is probably the most chaotic channel in the whole marketing world. Compare that to email, super simple... Social is not simple, not easy." Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder and CEO of Agorapulse.

"If there's no proof that this works, it's not going to get budget, it's not going to get human resources, it's not going to get attention." Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder and CEO of Agorapulse.

"In order to measure anything, you have to have an analytics framework in place. If you are not defining what are the CTAs you want to track on your website, you're not going to be able to track anything on social media." Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder and CEO of Agorapulse.

"If you are not in constant learning mode, you're going to be out of place in six months. The assets to learn and to stay on top of your game are here, free, in abundance." Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder and CEO of Agorapulse.

Follow Emeric:

Emeric Ernoult on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ernoult/?originalSubdomain=fr

Agorapulse’s website: https://www.agorapulse.com/

Agorapulse on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/agorapulse/

Follow Mike:

Mike Maynard on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikemaynard/

Napier website: https://www.napierb2b.com/

Napier LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/napier-partnership-limited/

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