Living Through Chaos, An Interview with Oscar Ibarra

Kelly and Erin interview their childhood friend, Oscar Ibarra. He is a leader in the army with powerful experiences that have shaped his perspective on chaos. Oscar tells stories of his army career and how he has refined his ability to function in chaos, leading men and women to do hard things while observing and experiencing things out of their control. Hear how Kelly and Erin relate this to their own lives and draw parallels to apply these lessons to themselves.