While a ton of business owners today are chasing the next AI hack or automation craze, Jon and Peter return to a foundational truth: leverage isn’t a tactic - it’s a philosophy.

Today they’re talking about “Matt’s Hierarchy of Leverage,” a napkin-sketch turned mental model that redefines how small business owners should think about time, talent, and tools. Rather than obsessing over AI for AI’s sake, they explore leverage as a quiet system of compounding returns: replacing complexity with clarity, chaos with delegation, and brute effort with thoughtful structure.

At its core, the hierarchy isn’t about removing yourself from the business - it’s about repositioning your energy where it matters most. From global talent to smart systems, from automation to delegation, each rung down the pyramid creates space to climb higher in impact. AI isn't magic; it's just another train in a well-built transportation system, but that system still needs the roads, trucks, and drivers to lay the path.

They challenge operators: What will you do with the margin you earn? More cash? Better product? A month off? There’s no right answer - only trade-offs.

Jon and Peter aren’t interested in glossy tech dreams or lazy business hacks. They’re here for the long game - where leverage is earned, not bought. Where progress isn’t driven by viral trends, but by disciplined execution. And where the true win isn’t freedom from work, but freedom to choose the right work.

In a noisy age of shiny tools, this is a blueprint for quiet scale.

Key Topics: (02:00) Introducing Matt’s Hierarchy of Leverage (10:30) Systemization, SOPs, and Hiring B-Players (22:00) Saying No: The Key to Moving Work Down the Pyramid (37:12) AI Starts Taking Jobs (For Real This Time) (43:00) What Will You Do With the Increased Margin?

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In a time where brands everywhere churn out content for clout, Jon and Peter make the case that there is power in focusing on niche over noise.

They talk about the difference between running a media business—one dependent on clicks, views, and CPMs—and running a business powered by media. The latter isn’t chasing virality. It’s using content to build trust at scale, with the right audience. A single engaged viewer—one potential customer who finds real value—can be more powerful than 50 million passive scrolls.

This mindset reframes media from a vanity metric machine into a quiet engine of asymmetric returns. A podcast that lands one high-value client? Worth more than thousands of empty impressions. A newsletter that converts 1.2% of readers into loyal customers? Incredibly high leverage, even if the list is modest in size.

Still, they wrestle with the usual considerations all operators think about: Should we do short-form? Do we really have to play the algorithm game? Peter and Jon push back against performative content, advocating instead for authenticity, audience clarity, and compounding trust.

Show up. Document. Speak with depth. Build a back catalog for the long game.

If you're a business owner in 2025 wondering where to start, forget growth hacks. Instead, record a podcast. Write a blog post. Hit “publish” once a week. In a year, you'll be stunned by the optionality and leverage you’ve created—not from volume, but from intentional signal.

In the end, lazy leverage is just focused effort, multiplied by time.

Key Topics: (02:43) Media-Fueled Businesses vs Media Businesses (10:15) How SMBs Should Create Content for Top-Funnel vs Mid-Funnel (17:16) The Right Way to Do Short-Form Content (28:14) Running Ads Without Becoming a Sellout (35:12) Succeeding as a Niche B2B Brand (39:22) Getting Clear on Your Audience (43:30) Changing Up Your Environment

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In an age obsessed with scale, speed, and leverage, it’s easy to forget that the best long-term advantage might come from doing the exact opposite.

Call it the "Low Leverage Advantage."

When you're early in your career—or launching something new—there’s a strong case for diving into the work yourself. Not delegating. Not automating. Just doing. Need to onboard a new sales team? Write the first 20 cold DMs yourself. Building a new ops process? Sit next to the team member buried in outdated workflows and fix it together.

Why? Because high leverage comes from judgment. And judgment comes from getting close to the metal. It’s why executives driving Ubers for a week makes more sense than another offsite. Or why a CEO helping troubleshoot a Dropbox error can spark more productivity than another strategy session.

But the magic doesn’t stop at work. Trying to optimize your personal life with AI prompts and workflows? Terrible idea. Your kids don’t need you to delegate bedtime—they need you to show up. Presence is low leverage, but it’s high value.

The trick? Learn to oscillate. Plant with intimacy, harvest with leverage. Create media, but still get your hands dirty. Record podcasts, but stay close to the customer. Don’t chase scale so hard that you forget where insights come from.

Low leverage isn’t a step backward—it’s an intentional investment in depth. And if you document along the way, even the mundane becomes future leverage. Your dusty SOP doc? Might be the foundation of your next seven-figure business.

Leverage and scale will come, but only if you show up, do the work, and remain consistent.

Key Topics: (03:08) Why (and When to) Go Low Leverage? (10:19) How Low Leverage Activities Build Loyalty with Team Members (17:08) Laying the Groundwork Early on in Your Business (23:05) Learning New Skills with Low Leverage Work (31:00) Creating a Body of Work That Makes the Best Use of Your Time (40:25) Nurturing Growth by Encouraging Healthy Debates (48:22) Why Respectful Disagreement Between Team Members is Good for Business (53:27) Jon and Peter’s Latest AI Breakthroughs

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