Javier Peña & Steve Murphy

The two men considered instrumental in the downfall of the Medellin cartel and its leader, the charismatic but vicious Pablo Escobar, have been touring the world, giving lectures to dispel any myths about the Columbian drug lord.

Steve Murphy and Javier Pena were immortalised in the hugely popular Netflix series, Narcos. The men were played Boyd Holbrook and Pedro Pascal and the show's popularity saw interest in Escobar soar.

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You can find out more about their book, tour and podcast at DEANarcos.com

0.00 - Intro

2.15 - Steve Murphy's career in Miami

4.08 - What 880 pounds of cocaine looks like

6.00 - Javier Pena starting out in Austin, Texas

10.15 - The step-up in danger working in Columbia

14.10 - Columbian Swat teams had heavy weaponry and Javier and Steve had sidearms

20.00 - You dont hear gunfire

22.27 - There's undercover and there's which way is up

26.20 - Is it difficult to watch Pablo Escobar being romanticized in popular culture

32.30 - The number of people Pablo Escobar killed

34.35 - What did the guys think of American Made and Barry Seale

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