Nate & Trav continue reflecting through the 'Once You See' story. Trav is reminded of his hey-day leading a drama team, and Nate gives some insight into the nature of the 'sunday-centric' gravity in his own context.

They might not use Christopherson's words 'professionalism' or 'presentationalism', but there are definitely some parallels to the temptations he names.

Again, perhaps better understood as gravitational fields rather than just temptations!

Nate and Trav have entered the building. After hundreds of meaningful conversations over the years, they've finally chosen to put it on record with their first episode: 'no silver bullet'.

Once they've introduced themselves and why they're keen for this podcast, you'll then hear an Australian perspective on the book 'Once You See' by Jeff Christopherson.

Beginning with the first of seven western church 'temptations' (or perhaps better understood as 'practices we gravitate to'), you'll be given an honest reflection and critique on the common assertion: ' we are a Bible-believing people'.

Trav Johnson says 'hi', teases the first season, and gives a little insight into the meaning behind our title.