Finding joy and playfulness can feel complicated when the world feels heavy and overwhelming. For neurodivergent people, accessing moments of laughter and lightness—especially while navigating guilt or social pressure to be productive—becomes an essential, yet nuanced, form of self-preservation and resistance.

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the vital importance of play, laughter, and connection for neurodivergent well-being. They candidly discuss their personal struggles and breakthroughs with accessing joy, examine the intersection of play with heavy emotions, and share how dark humor, rituals, and community banter can help neurodivergent people process pain, release shame, and hold complexity. From the guilt often tied to playfulness during difficult times to the healing power of connection and humor, Patrick and Megan Anna offer both real talk and creative strategies for bringing more lightness into your everyday life.

Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

1. Discover accessible ways to bring more laughter and play into your day, even if you struggle with traditional hobbies or feel weighed down by the world’s pain.
2. Gain insight into the intersection of play, cultural resistance, and advocacy, with reflections on how joy can be both a survival tool and a form of empowerment for marginalized communities.
3. Hear honest, relatable stories from Patrick and Megan Anna about dealing with shame, executive dysfunction, and neurodivergent awkwardness—and learn how humor can be a bridge for connection and healing.

If you’ve ever felt guilty about seeking joy or struggled to figure out how to let playfulness back in, this episode will encourage you to embrace laughter and lightness as essential parts of the neurodivergent experience. Explore what it means to hold the heavy while still making room for play.

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Jane is a clinic management software and EMR designed to be an extra set of helping hands in your health and wellness business. Available online and on any device, Jane has branded online booking, scheduling, insurance billing, customizable documentation templates and online forms, integrated payments, telehealth, and more — wrapped up in one beautiful package that even your patients/clients will love. Backed by our unlimited human support available by phone, email, and chat (even on Saturdays!), Jane is here to help you get back...

Creativity isn’t just a spark or a talent—it’s a vital tether to our humanness, especially in a world that can feel overwhelming or isolating for neurodivergent people. Whether you feel energized and alive, or stuck in a season of fatigue, the pursuit and practice of creativity can connect us to ourselves, our aliveness, and our communities.

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, diiscuss what creativity truly means as neurodivergent people navigating complex feelings of energy, burnout, connection, and disconnection. They share personal experiences with creative flow, discuss the role of embodiment and play in sparking new ideas, explore how creativity acts as resistance against dehumanizing forces, and reflect on how moments of aliveness are often intertwined with pain and longing. Through honest conversation, they highlight how creativity is not only a coping tool, but a way to metabolize emotion, reclaim joy, and find meaning—even in dark seasons.

Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

1. Hear thought-provoking discussion on creativity as an act of reclaiming humanness—not just productivity or output—and learn how it can ground us during difficult times.
2. Gain practical, relatable insights into how movement, community, connection, and even music can help reignite creativity and support emotional regulation for neurodivergent listeners.
3. Listen to honest, nuanced reflections about the bittersweet nature of aliveness, the link between creativity and pain, and how to recognize when solitude is helpful versus when it becomes isolating.

If you’re longing for creative sparks or seeking permission to honor your energy cycles and emotions, this episode offers validation and gentle encouragement. Join Patrick and Megan Anna as they unpack what creativity means for neurodivergent lives—and find new inspiration to show up for yourself, wherever you are, and reconnect with your own aliveness.

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✨ Jane:

Jane is a clinic management software and EMR designed to be an extra set of helping hands in your health and wellness business. Available online and on any device, Jane has branded online booking, scheduling, insurance billing, customizable documentation templates and online forms, integrated payments, telehealth, and more — wrapped up in one beautiful package that even your patients/clients...

Finding real connection and community as a neurodivergent person can be both beautiful and complicated. We often long for community that gets us, but knowing where to look or how to show up as ourselves can feel uncertain. Having spaces where we feel seen, supported, and not too much isn’t just affirming — it’s important for our well-being.

In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Megan Anna Neff, two AuDHD mental health professionals, discuss the complexities of finding, building, and sustaining community and connection as neurodivergent people. They candidly share personal experiences of seeking meaningful relationships, discuss the unique benefits and pitfalls of digital communities, explore the emotional nuances of online versus in-person connection, and offer practical ideas and resources for those looking to cultivate neurodivergent-positive spaces.

Top 3 reasons to listen to the entire episode:

1. Explore practical ways to find neurodivergent community—whether you're looking for free or paid spaces, online or in-person—and hear ideas for navigating the relational dynamics that help support connection and belonging.
2. Hear honest reflections from Patrick and Megan Anna as they share their own experiences with online engagement, friendship, demand avoidance, and the realities of community burnout. It's a conversation that feels real, relatable, and encouraging.
3. Learn why community matters not just for connection, but for identity, advocacy, and healing. In a world that can be overwhelming and isolating, shared spaces offer protection, meaning, and a way to grow forward together.

If you’ve ever felt worn out but still longed for connection with a community that truly gets you, this episode offers both honest reflection and tangible support. We talk about what it means to find—or help create—spaces of real belonging.

Resources

• THE NOOK: neurodivergentinsights.com/membership
• Autastic: autastic.com/resources-for-bipoc-communities
• NEUROKINDNESS COMMUNITY Waitlist: docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSefQlLquFvaMB7ZY7dkSumrKhtP7WBGQLHAb0Rkfzzy_UN6Gg/viewform
• DIVERGENT CONVERSATIONS UNDERGROUND: divergentconversations.substack.com

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