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No words in this episode. Just a small mountain stream in the spring, tumbling over large boulders and winding through fallen logs into a pool where two redband rainbow trout dart from the shadows of a rock to eat passing nymphs. Birds singing as light drips down the side of the canyon. Give yourself the break you deserve and listen.

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We welcome back Vic Coggins for his second appearance on the show to talk about how he traded beer to wildlife biologists to reintroduce bighorn sheep into Oregon. Vic has been a wildlife biologist for close to 60 years now, and if it weren’t for him we might not have mountain goats, bighorns, turkey and more. He tells stories of the Wild West days of getting species from other places to introduce to Oregon. A program that was so successful that now Oregon gives wild sheep away to other states.

You might also like Vic’s book which you can order online here.

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Cody Sheehy is an award winning documentary film maker who lives on a sailboat in Mexico. He broke the story about China genetically engineering and DNA editing babies, and is about to launch his next film about a Vietnam veteran who befriended a 22’ wide manta ray that would swim up to his boat, slap the side of it with its wing, and then swim with him. They did this together for 19 years. Excellent stories and a wide ranging conversation that was interesting in every moment.