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Erasmus, Luther, and the Fight for the Western Mind
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A deeply textured dual biography and fascinating intellectual history that examines two of the greatest minds of European history - Desiderius Erasmus and Martin Luther - whose heated rivalry gave rise to two enduring, fundamental, and often colliding traditions of philosophical and religious thought.
Erasmus of Rotterdam was the leading figure of the Northern Renaissance. At a time when Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Raphael were revolutionizing Western art and culture, Erasmus was helping to transform Europe's intellectual and religious life, developing a new design for living for a continent rebelling against the hierarchical constraints of the Roman Church. When in 1516 he came out with a revised edition of the New Testament based on the original Greek, he was hailed as the prophet of a new enlightened age. Today, however, Erasmus is largely forgotten, and the reason can be summed up in two words: Martin Luther. As a young friar in remote Wittenberg, Luther was initially a great admirer of Erasmus and his critique of the Catholic Church, but while Erasmus sought to reform that institution from within, Luther wanted a more radical transformation. Eventually, the differences between them flared into a bitter rivalry, with each trying to win over Europe to his vision.
In Fatal Discord, Michael Massing seeks to restore Erasmus to his proper place in the Western tradition. The conflict between him and Luther, he argues, forms a fault line in Western thinking - the moment when two enduring schools of thought, Christian humanism and evangelical Christianity, took shape. A seasoned journalist who has reported from many countries, Massing here travels back to the early 16th century to recover a long-neglected chapter of Western intellectual life, in which the introduction of new ways of reading the Bible set loose social and cultural forces that helped shatter the millennial unity of Christendom and whose echoes can still be heard today. Massing concludes that Europe has adopted a form of Erasmian humanism while America has been shaped by Luther-inspired individualism.
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Carlos Eire, popular professor and gifted writer, chronicles the 200-year era of the Renaissance and Reformation with particular attention to issues that persist as concerns in the present day. Eire connects the Protestant and Catholic Reformations in new and profound ways, and he demonstrates convincingly that this crucial turning point in history not only affected people long gone but continues to shape our world and define who we are today.
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Catholics don’t believe in “Works Righteousness”
- De Liam Cruz Kelly en 02-23-19
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Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea
- Why the Greeks Matter
- De: Thomas Cahill
- Narrado por: John Lee
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Best selling history writer Thomas Cahill continues his series on the roots of Western civilization with this volume about the contributions of ancient Greece to the development of contemporary culture. Tracing the origin of Greek culture in the migrations of armed Indo-European horsemen into Attica and the Peloponnesian peninsula, he follows their progress into the creation of the Greek city-states, the refinement of their machinery of war, and the flowering of intellectual and artistic culture.
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When the Church Was Young
- Voices of the Early Fathers
- De: Marcellino D'Ambrosio
- Narrado por: Marcellino D'Ambrosio
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Marcellino D'Ambrosio dusts off what might have been just dry theology to bring you the exciting stories of great heroes such as Ambrose, Augustine, Basil, Athanasius, John Chrysostom, and Jerome. These brilliant, embattled, and sometimes eccentric men defined the biblical canon, hammered out the Creed, and gave us our understanding of sacraments and salvation. It is they who preserved the rich legacy of the early Church for us.
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Masterful summary of the early Church Fathers
- De Mike C en 08-22-14
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A World Lit Only by Fire
- The Medieval Mind and the Renaissance: Portrait of an Age
- De: William Manchester
- Narrado por: Barrett Whitener
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From tales of chivalrous knights to the barbarity of trial by ordeal, no era has been a greater source of awe, horror, and wonder than the Middle Ages. In handsomely crafted prose and with the grace and authority of his extraordinary gift for narrative history, William Manchester leads us from a civilization tottering on the brink of collapse to the grandeur of its rebirth, the Renaissance.
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Ruined by the narrator
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Brand Luther
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- De: Andrew Pettegree
- Narrado por: Paul Hecht
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When an obscure monk named Martin Luther tacked his theses on the door of the Wittenberg church in 1517, protesting corrupt practices, he was virtually unknown. Within months his ideas spread across Germany then all of Europe; within years their author was not just famous but infamous, responsible for catalyzing the violent wave of religious reform that would come to be known as the Protestant Reformation and engulfing Europe in decades of bloody war.
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Informed, Impacting
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Roger Williams and the Creation of the American Soul
- Church, State, and the Birth of Liberty
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This is a story of power, set against Puritan America and the English Civil War. Williams's interactions with King James, Francis Bacon, Oliver Cromwell, and his mentor Edward Coke set his course, but his fundamental ideas came to fruition in America, as Williams, though a Puritan, collided with John Winthrop's vision of his "City upon a Hill."
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Fascinating Story and Legacy
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De: John M. Barry
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God’s Secretaries
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It is the greatest work of English prose ever written, and it is no coincidence that the translation was made at the moment “Englishness” and the English language had come into its first passionate maturity. Boisterous, elegant, subtle, majestic, finely nuanced, sonorous, and musical, the English of Jacobean England has a more encompassing idea of its own reach and scope than any before or since. It is a form of the language that drips with potency and sensitivity. The age, with all its conflicts, explains the book.
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Not what I was expecting
- De Greg en 12-29-13
De: Adam Nicolson
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A History of Christianity
- De: Paul Johnson
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First published in 1976, Paul Johnson's exceptional study of Christianity has been loved and widely hailed for its intensive research, writing, and magnitude. Weaving a great range of material, the scholar and author Johnson creates an ambitious panoramic overview of the evolution of the Western world since the founding of a little-known "Jesus sect".
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Read Brant Pitre's the case for Jesus instead.
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Medieval Christianity
- A New History
- De: Kevin Madigan
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For many, the medieval world seems dark and foreign - a miraculous, brutal, and irrational time of superstition and strange relics. The pursuit of heretics, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the domination of the "Holy Land" come to mind.
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New Standard Text for This Period
- De Bill Martin en 10-22-16
De: Kevin Madigan
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Constantine and the Conversion of Europe
- De: Arnold Jones
- Narrado por: Charlton Griffin
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By the end of Diocletian's reign in the opening years of the fourth century, the pagan world had collapsed into the arms of a multicultural religious movement which had spread from the eastern Mediterranean. These were the "mystery religions" which had been in competition with one another for a century. By the time of Constantine, they had spread everywhere within the empire. But one of these religions, Christianity, was chosen by the young emperor.
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A Lot of Potentially Boring Detail
- De Christopher en 07-08-10
De: Arnold Jones
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Bible and Sword
- England and Palestine from the Bronze Age to Balfour
- De: Barbara W. Tuchman
- Narrado por: Wanda McCaddon
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Two-time Pulitzer Prize - winning historian Barbara Tuchman explores the complex relationship of Britain to Palestine that led to the founding of the modern Jewish state - and to many of the problems that plague the Middle East today.
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Excellent book, but not quite objective
- De Kellie en 04-25-11
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The Reformation for Armchair Theologians
- De: Glen Sunshine
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This listenable, accessible narrative story of the Protestant Reformation provides a solid grounding in the history of the Reformation and its leading ideas. The and the inclusion of "Questions for Discussion" and "Suggestions for Further Reading" make this book excellent for study groups, or as a refresher "course" for students - and even as a good starting point for those interested in the larger discipline of church history.
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Sunshine Shines Brightly!
- De LP en 03-14-16
De: Glen Sunshine
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Benjamin Franklin was not a gambling man. But at the end of his illustrious life, the Founder allowed himself a final wager on the survival of the United States: a gift of two thousand pounds to Boston and Philadelphia, to be lent out to tradesmen over the next two centuries to jump-start their careers. Each loan would be repaid with interest over ten years. If all went according to Franklin’s inventive scheme, the accrued final payout in 1991 would be a windfall.
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Every one of us contains a billion times more atoms than all the grains of sand in the earth’s deserts. If you weigh 150 pounds, you’ve got enough carbon to make 25 pounds of charcoal, enough salt to fill a saltshaker, enough chlorine to disinfect several backyard swimming pools, and enough iron to forge a 3-inch nail. But how did these elements combine to make us human?
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The barbarian nomads of the Eurasian steppes have played a decisive role in world history, but their achievements have gone largely unnoticed. These nomadic tribes have produced some of the world’s greatest conquerors: Attila the Hun, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane, among others. Their deeds still resonate today. Indeed, these nomads built long-lasting empires, facilitated the first global trade of the Silk Road and disseminated religions, technology, knowledge and goods of every description that enriched and changed the lives of so many across Europe, China and the Middle East.
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The Decameron is one of the greatest literary works of the Middle Ages. Ten young people have fled the terrible effects of the Black Death in Florence and, in an idyllic setting, tell a series of brilliant stories, by turns humorous, bawdy, tragic and provocative. This celebration of physical and sexual vitality is Boccaccio's answer to the sublime other-worldliness of Dante's Divine Comedy.
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A prize-winning journalist with a background in neuroscience, Helen Thomson spent years tracking down people who live with the world's most extraordinary neurological disorders - like a man who tried to break his back because his legs no longer felt like his own, and another who believed that he was dead for nine years. Not content to simply read about these cases on paper, Thomson reached out to 10 people with these afflictions, and they agreed to tell her their stories.
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Womb
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The size of a clenched fist and the shape of a light bulb—with no less power and potential. Every person on Earth began inside a uterus, but how much do we really understand about the womb? Bringing together medical history, scientific discoveries, and journalistic exploration, Leah Hazard embarks on a journey in search of answers about the body’s most miraculous and contentious organ.
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Lo que los oyentes dicen sobre Fatal Discord
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- 07-10-21
The American Protestant divide
Explains how Erasmus and Luther’s ideas are the roots of the Protestant religious divide in America today.
I would’ve preferred the Reader’s Digest version, but the last two chapters are worth their weight in gold!
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- jc
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Great!
Especially great if youre interested in the roots of our modern ideas, or to learn about all the people and deas that you vaguely remember from school.
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- rjtproductions
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Amazing!
This book should be standard reading for everyone, christians included, but not exclusively christians either. It is very long but it is well worth the effort.
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- Rodney S. Nash
- 07-07-23
Eye opening
Call at the beginning had to stop came back to it and so glad I did. The last 3/4 of the book are revealing thought-provoking and may be question a lot of things I think about wonderful read.
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- Marianne
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Utterly fascinating
In order to understand religion today one needs to start at the very least with the Reformation.
Fatal Discord takes one back to the origin of Christianity and the bible, and the schism that rent it in the 16th century.
Sadly, the narrator cannot properly pronounce the many European places and words, and when he refers to
'thesis' it sounds like feces.
Someone familiar with European languages and their pronunciations would have been a better choice than
Tom Parks who has a very American accent with no ability to navigate un English words
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- 01-05-22
Printing and Printers: The Reformation Letters, Essays and Bibles
Printing technology was only 7 decades old when Luther hung his treatise on the door. That act triggered an onslaught of publications that comprise the history of the Reformation. The number of Bibles that were printed and sold is remarkable considering how primitive the technology. It was the printed word that allowed the theologians to debate in public the great questions of sin, salvation and redemption. The treatises and letters together with the competing Bibles provided the curriculum that eventually educated the western world. The author relies on these public and private printed conversations to give us a delightful, and at times frightening, look into the lives of these reformists.
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- Karl Scheffrahn
- 11-20-23
best political & religious history of the west I’ve read
Deep dive into personalities of Luthet and Erasmus,
sensative portrait of convictions and struggles of both.
 Accurate on their stories and impact on the modern
World. All book cheracters are sympathetically put into
Their historical context, This is a gteat blend of storytelling, Personalities and disputes that put
Them on history’s central stage. I thoight I knew
This story, but after this book my insights doubled.
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- BookJunkie
- 08-01-18
Excellent treatment of the subject
Well-researched, well-written, and well-read. Thoroughly enjoyed the audio book. May buy and read the print book. Highly recommended.
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- 11-18-23
When ossified human institutions meet transformative information technology
This was amazing! My less-than-amateur understanding of the Reformation placed Luther against the Catholic Church, which is an almost meaningless story to my human mind. Place him against the Popes of the time and he MUST seem a hero. The author found the perfect foil for Luther in Erasmus, and we get to see a conflict of individual men: their ideas, the exigencies of their daily existence that channeled those ideas, and the formative circumstances that ground the lenses that were their consciousnesses. At times I thought the author was going far afield in addressing the historical circumstances, but I was ALWAYS WRONG. This looks s an opus. It took two generations after the invention of the printing press for the technology to establish itself ubiquitously and for literacy rates to reach a point of critical mass. Once that happened…
How could I read this and NOT see today reflected in the struggle. Too, how could I miss the recurring Platonic / Aristotelian dialectic clash? Thank you for resolving my cognitive dissonance on Luther’s character and intent. Thank you also for showing so clearly how consequences bear little resemblance to intentions of those most able to shake the foundations of established order. All new thoughts and ideas about the period for me. Thank you, gentle author, for the journey.
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- 03-16-22
History of debate between Erasmus and Luther
Synopsis:
This book is technically a dual biography of Martin Luther and Erasmus. As a biography of Luther, it is far better than Eric Metaxas's bio (also on Audible). It gets more details correct, goes into greater detail (especially with respect to the later years of Luther's life), and is much less hagiographical. I don't know of any other biography of Erasmus on Audible, so this is probably the best one. It is fairly short on detail on both authors' early lives and focuses on their intellectual developments. While the author clearly favors Erasmus over Luther, he portrays both figures in a sympathetic light and is willing to criticize both.
Both Erasmus and Luther come across as flawed people. Erasmus is portrayed as a high minded genius, cynical towards anything supernatural. He is portrayed as effectively reducing religion to morality and to social progress (which the author seems to think is a good thing). On the other hand, he is also portrayed as hypocritical, self-serving, duplicitous, and comfort-loving. Luther is portrayed as having good intentions to begin with, but with being a mediocre and spontaneous scholar, who, driven by a mix of ego and self-loathing, made up his theology on the fly and became increasingly hateful as he aged.
The amount of territory covered by this book is enormous. Besides the obvious topics, it also covers: The letters of Paul, the debate between Augustine and Jerome, the Reuchlin affair, Luther's views of Islam, the sack of Rome by the Holy Roman Empire's army, the full history of protestantism in Germany and America, the beginnings of protestantism in Switzerland, France, and the low countries.
Epilogue / Thesis:
The book ends with a long, surprisingly detailed epilogue concerning the influence of Luther's thought and Erasmus's thought from their deaths to the election of Trump. This epilogue essentially constitutes the thesis of the book. Two aspects of this epilogue are praiseworthy: First, whereas many authors present the history of protestantism as a series of static nodes on a family tree, Massing presents the different denominations as dynamic realities, each shifting back and forth between the sway of the Lutheran emphasis on faith over works and the Erasmian tendency to reduce religion to morality and social progress. So, for instance, at the start Methodists may have been more influenced by Lutheran tendencies, but now they are more Erasmian. Second, although the author clearly sympathizes with Erasmus and the secular, liberal order more than Luther and the American evangelicals he sees as Luther's descendants, he does not come across as polemical or condescending when describing those, like Kim Davis, who a lesser author would have mocked.
Criticisms:
The author does not speak much about Catholic theology or the details of Catholic criticisms of Erasmus. Where he does, however, what he says is often wrong or superficial. For instance, he repeatedly says that Catholics "worship" Mary, and even that the Council of Trent approved "worshipping" Mary. In modern English, "worship" means "latria." The Council of Trent absolutely did not approve latria for Mary, and to think that it did is absurd. More substantively, the author only cites criticisms of Erasmus's New Testament to the effect that, if you say X, then Catholic belief Y will be undermined. He doesn't cite in any detail any criticisms in which the authors showed on historical-critical grounds that Erasmus's scholarship was flawed. The result is that the Catholic perspective is treated as a straw man. Similarly, Massing just takes for granted that Luther interprets Augustine correctly and doesn't acknowledge that his reconstruction of the life of St. Paul is a highly controversial guess, not a matter about which there is consensus. For instance, he claims that Paul broke with Peter and started his own Church, but doesn't draw attention to the fact that almost no scholars until very recently would have accepted that account of events.
The reader is clear and easy to listen to, but mispronounces a lot of words.
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