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The Untold Story of the Persian Gulf War
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Rick Atkinson
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Throughout the Gulf War of 1991, unprecedented restrictions on the media’s access to the battlefield kept the true story of that brief, brutal conflict from being told. Now, after two years of intensive research, Rick Atkinson has written what will surely come to be recognized as the definitive chronicle of the war.
Crusade follows the unfolding battle from the first night to the final day, providing vivid accounts of bombing runs and White House strategy sessions, fire-fights and bitter inter-service conflicts. Weaving individual stories into the larger narrative, Atkinson represents the allied campaign against Saddam Hussein as a wholly new kind of war, one that has transformed the nature of modern warfare.
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The very strange but nevertheless true story of the dark underbelly of a 1960s hippie utopia. Laurel Canyon in the 1960s and early 1970s was a magical place where a dizzying array of musical artists congregated to create much of the music that provided the soundtrack to those turbulent times. But there was a dark side to that scene as well. Many didn't make it out alive, and many of those deaths remain shrouded in mystery to this day.
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My first review. This book changed me.
- De Robert en 06-30-19
De: David McGowan
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Ali in Me
- De: Mercury Studios, Treefort Media
- Narrado por: Lonnie Ali, John Ramsey
- Duración: 3 h y 31 m
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Muhammad Ali, never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly, stays true to form in Ali in Me, an eight-part audio series that explores his life and legacy, guided by his own words through never-before-heard audio recordings. Hosted by Muhammad’s widow, Lonnie Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster John Ramsey, Ali in Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply into the extraordinary life and lasting contributions The Champ made to individuals around the world.
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He went hard on everything, especially love
- De 🔥 Phx17 🔥 en 01-31-25
De: Mercury Studios, y otros
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Mythology: Mega Collection
- Classic Stories from the Greek, Celtic, Norse, Japanese, Hindu, Chinese, Mesopotamian and Egyptian Mythology
- De: Scott Lewis
- Narrado por: Madison Niederhauser, Oliver Hunt
- Duración: 31 h y 37 m
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Do you know how many wives Zeus had? Or how the famous Trojan War was caused by one beautiful lady? Or how Thor got his hammer? Give your imagination a real treat. This Mega Mythology Collection of eight audiobooks is for you....
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An interesting set of introductions.
- De Kevin Potter en 05-30-19
De: Scott Lewis
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Fingerprints of the Gods
- The Quest Continues
- De: Graham Hancock
- Narrado por: Graham Hancock
- Duración: 18 h y 31 m
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Fingerprints of the Gods is the revolutionary rewrite of history that has persuaded millions of listeners throughout the world to change their preconceptions about the history behind modern society. An intellectual detective story, this unique history audiobook directs probing questions at orthodox history, presenting disturbing new evidence that historians have tried - but failed - to explain.
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Classic in Historical Mysteries
- De Kelly en 09-05-19
De: Graham Hancock
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Napoleon's Hemorrhoids…And Other Small Events That Changed History
- De: Phil Mason
- Narrado por: LJ Ganser
- Duración: 8 h y 13 m
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Hilarious, fascinating, and a roller coaster of dizzying, historical what-ifs, Napoleon's Hemorrhoids is a potpourri for serious historians and casual history buffs. In one of Phil Mason's many revelations, you'll learn that Communist jets were two minutes away from opening fire on American planes during the Cuban missile crisis, when they had to turn back as they were running out of fuel. You'll discover that before the Battle of Waterloo, Napoleon's painful hemorrhoids prevented him from mounting his horse to survey the battlefield.
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They just throw the facts too fast
- De Concerned_llama en 12-11-20
De: Phil Mason
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War Is a Racket
- De: Major General Smedley D. Butler USMC Retired
- Narrado por: Jack Eddelman
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A report on how the greed of a privileged few, subsidized by public funding, creates substantial profits for themselves from mass human suffering.This was a speech given by General Butler during a nationwide tour in the early 1930's, but it applies even more today! Listen as he frankly discusses, from his experience as a career military officer, how business interests commercially benefit from warfare. He then suggests several practical solutions for reducing the pillage.
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We all need to hear it
- De L. C. Pinkerton en 02-28-15
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The liberation of Europe and the destruction of the Third Reich is a story of courage and enduring triumph, of calamity and miscalculation. In this first volume of the Liberation Trilogy, Rick Atkinson shows why no modern learner can understand the ultimate victory of the Allied powers without a grasp of the great drama that unfolded in North Africa in 1942 and 1943. That first year of the Allied war was a pivotal point in American history, the moment when the United States began to act like a great power.
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Fascinating book, great performance
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Abridged edition: Rick Atkinson, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning An Army at Dawn, has long been admired for his deeply researched, stunningly vivid narrative histories. Now he turns his attention to a new war, and in the initial volume of the Revolution Trilogy he recounts the first 21 months of America’s violent war for independence. From the battles at Lexington and Concord in spring 1775 to those at Trenton and Princeton in winter 1777, American militiamen and then the ragged Continental Army take on the world’s most formidable fighting force.
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Great Start!
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The Gulf War, 1990-91
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Very informative
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The Fate of the Day
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The first twenty-one months of the American Revolution—which began at Lexington and ended at Princeton—was the story of a ragged group of militiamen and soldiers fighting to forge a new nation. By the winter of 1777, the exhausted Continental Army could claim only that it had barely escaped annihilation by the world’s most formidable fighting force. Two years into the war, George III is as determined as ever to bring his rebellious colonies to heel.
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A Mixed Bag
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Fascinating book, great performance
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Great Start!
- De Darren Sapp en 07-14-19
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The Gulf War, 1990-91
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Very informative
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The Fate of the Day
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A story we all need to remember every day to keep our country free from tyranny
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The Battle of the Bulge
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On the 16th of December, 1944, in the frozen forests of the Ardennes, the German army attacked American Allied forces, making one last attempt to turn the tide of World War II. Thus began the long, hard slog of a battle that was nicknamed by the media as the Battle of the Bulge. Lasting more than a month, it led to tens of thousands of casualties. Sir Winston Churchill called it "the greatest American battle of the war and...an ever-famous American victory".
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Excellent clear narrative
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The Guns at Last Light
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It is the 20th century’s unrivaled epic: At a staggering price, the United States and its allies liberated Europe and vanquished Hitler. In the first two volumes of his best-selling Liberation Trilogy, Rick Atkinson recounted the history of how the American-led coalition fought its way from North Africa and Italy to the threshold of victory. Now he tells the most dramatic story of all - the titanic battle in Western Europe. D-Day marked the commencement of the war’s final campaign, and Atkinson’s astonishingly fresh account of that enormous gamble sets the pace for the masterly narrative that follows.
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Amazing
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In Mortal Combat
- Korea, 1950-1953
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In this brilliant narrative of America's first limited war, Toland lets both the events and the participants speak for themselves, employing scrupulous archival research and interviews as the bases for the drama and accuracy of his writing. In Mortal Combat reveals Mao's prediction of the date and place of MacArthur's Inchon landing, Russia's indifference to the war, Mao's secret leadership of the North Korean military, and the true nature of both sides' treatment and repatriation of POWs.
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Slightly disappointed
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Almost as good as The Best and the Brightest
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Today, it is known by many names, like the First Iraq War, Kuwait War, and, most commonly, the Gulf War or the First Gulf War. It was a rather short conflict, lasting just shy of seven months between late 1990 and early 1991. Yet, it was still rather impactful because it showcased several essential innovations and changes in political and technological aspects of warfare, some of which are still part of modern conflicts.
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Who Can Hold the Sea
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This landmark account of the U.S. Navy in the Cold War, Who Can Hold the Sea combines narrative history with scenes of stirring adventure on—and under—the high seas. In 1945, at the end of World War II, the victorious Navy sends its sailors home and decommissions most of its warships. But this peaceful interlude is short-lived, as Stalin, America’s former ally, makes aggressive moves in Europe and the Far East.
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James D. Hornfisher's last work
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Ardennes 1944
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On December 16, 1944, Hitler launched his "last gamble" in the snow-covered forests and gorges of the Ardennes in Belgium, believing he could split the Allies by driving all the way to Antwerp and forcing the Canadians and the British out of the war. Although his generals were doubtful of success, younger officers and NCOs were desperate to believe that their homes and families could be saved from the vengeful Red Army approaching from the east. Many were exultant at the prospect of striking back.
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Beevor excellent as always
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The Fleet at Flood Tide
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With its thunderous assault on the Mariana Islands in June 1944, the United States crossed the threshold of total war. In this tour de force of dramatic storytelling, distilled from extensive research in newly discovered primary sources, James D. Hornfischer brings to life the campaign that was the fulcrum of the drive to compel Tokyo to surrender—and that forever changed the art of modern war.
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Hornfischer's Philosophical Summary Up to VJ Day
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Six Frigates
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Before the ink was dry on the U.S. Constitution, the establishment of a permanent military had become the most divisive issue facing the new government. Would a standing army be the thin end of dictatorship? Would a navy protect American commerce against the Mediterranean pirates, or drain the treasury and provoke hostilities with the great powers? The founders, particularly Jefferson, Madison, and Adams, debated these questions fiercely and switched sides more than once.
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BE ADVISED THIS BOOK IS ABRIDGED
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De: Ian W. Toll
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The Russian Revolution
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Groundbreaking in its inclusiveness, enthralling in its narrative of a movement whose purpose, in the words of Leon Trotsky, was "to overthrow the world", The Russian Revolution draws conclusions that aroused great controversy. Richard Pipes argues convincingly that the Russian Revolution was an intellectual, rather than a class, uprising; that it was steeped in terror from its very outset; and that it was not a revolution at all but a coup d'etat - "the capture of governmental power by a small minority."
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Destruction of the Lenin Myth
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The Day of Battle
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The Italian campaign's outcome was never certain; in fact, Roosevelt, Churchill, and their military advisers engaged in heated debate about whether an invasion of the so-called soft underbelly of Europe was even a good idea. But once under way, the commitment to liberate Italy from the Nazis never wavered, despite the agonizingly high price.
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Breathtaking
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- Grimjack
- 12-03-23
Outstanding writing, okay narration
Atkinson provides a solid insight into Desert Shield/Storm, Well researched, he provides the highs and lows of strategic decision making and command, while also covering some of the key engagements on the ground, sea and air.
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- Steve
- 05-08-23
Worst reader I’ve ever heard
The reading of this book was terrible. The reader miss pronounced so many words it was hard to count. There were also in numerous pauses making listening difficult. This book should be re-recorded.
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- Salem
- 02-09-24
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Great read good sound, clear timeline and gives a good overview
Needs more details for after the war
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- E. Ronakov
- 09-11-24
Time well spent
Excellent account of Operation Desert Shield and Storm. First hand accounts, plenty of details, and we'll narrated.
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- Chad Bordelon
- 01-23-21
From someone who was there
I served with the 7th Corps in Desert Storm and I was very impressed with this book. I learned about things that were going on around me and it all made sense in what I experienced. A must read for veterans and students of history!
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- Brian K Taylor
- 01-08-23
Clear Perspective on a Complicated War
A very worthwhile investment in understanding a complicated situation and the war that followed. Highly recommend!!
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- Mark
- 05-19-23
Detailed analysis, poor reader
Rick Atkinson definitely did a lot research to write this. The book is very detailed about events and provides insight into everything we didn’t see on TV at the time. The reader is not good. His mispronunciations are distracting.
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- Hal VT
- 04-13-13
Great account of Desert Shield/Storm
Would you consider the audio edition of Crusade to be better than the print version?
No. In fact, I got most of the way through this, then ordered it in hardcover.
What did you like best about this story?
Atkinson has a knack for finding a perfect middle-ground between The War as an event run by entire coalitions of governments and massive military units on the one side, and the troops in the proverbial trenches on the other side. It is therefore more readable than a history of politics and policy or of divisional maneuvers and terrain, while being broader in scope than, say, Jarhead. Stylistically, his writing brings things to life while giving the "big picture" history.
Have you listened to any of Jeff Riggenbach’s other performances before? How does this one compare?
This was my first. As other reviewers have doubtlessly pointed out, he mispronounces household names like Dick Cheney and Colin Powell. He also pronounces Arabic place names oddly; though "Sa-OO-di" may well be technically correct, it's not how anyone pronounced it when I was there twice with Operation Southern Watch. Aggravating.
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- Daryl Revlett
- 04-10-21
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It drove me nuts almost to the point of not continuing to listen. The way the narrator pronounced some well known names and places was awful.
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- Anonymous User
- 05-05-20
Thirty Years on Atkinson's Narrative Aged Well
I listened to this title, while on deployment to Iraq and Kuwait, ironically at many of the locations mentioned. When Atkinson described locations like Taji, Al-Qaim, The Ba'ath Party Headquarters Baghdad, or Ali Al Salem, Shiek Al Jaber Air Base, or Shuaiba Port in Kuwait -I couldn't help but think, these aren't far away places that I can't point on a map, I'm literally there or had just been there. Its a surreal feeling I can assure you.
As for the book, I feel Atkinson beautifully weaves the details of this brief war, blending the tactical on the ground events -often from the perspective of personnel involved as well as strategic perspective and political ramifications. The narrative has an entertaining 'in medias res' style that keeps the audience involved. With its prologue being of Gen. Schwartzkopf's dramatic entrance into Safwon for negotiations with the Iraqis, at the end of the war. Then going back to the first night of the air campaign, cutting between events in the Whitehouse, Pentagon, Riyadh, and the air over Iraq. He often cuts back and forth between the operations themselves and the context, detailing the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and failed diplomacy that resulted into conflict.
Some critics say that the book was overtly U.S. centric, however -that is pretty much an accurate description of the war. There are points where he focuses on both the British and French involvement -both of whom pulled the most weight after the Americans, while he rightly hand waves the local Arab coalition (The Saudis, Egyptians, Qataris, and Kuwaitis themselves) as relative non-factors, whose incompetence and poor quality diminished what little role they had -other than the purely symbolic Arab Liberation of Kuwait City.
I think a lot of Atkinson's criticism of the 1st Bush Administration is warranted, however, as it was written in 1993 -not long after the War ended thus -a lot of the full context of the War's aftermath (more importantly Bush's son 'finishing the job' and the resulting descent of Iraq into near eternal war) is lost.
As someone who recently left Iraq, Saddam's Ghost is alive and well -with many even speculating that as bad as he was, it is worse today. With Sunni and Shia militias fighting and killing one other -still even today as I type this, radical Wahhabi Islamist groups such as ISIS being born in the Post-Saddam insurgency, and Iran basically turning the government that our U.S. Government set up as its own puppet.
For all the criticism that was leveled at Bush for not overthrowing Saddam in '91, in retrospect, you can truly see why we didn't. And why doing it in '03 was probably the greatest blunder of the 21st Century hands down.
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